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SAZ-3000D Power Testing - In House at Sundown Audio Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   sundownz Icon

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 10:29 PM

Made a separate topic for regular voltage testing. Hopefully I can get more in-depth testing with a stronger electrical system soon.

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Pyramid 50 Amp Power Supply
8 AWG from supply to batteries
Kinetik 2400 Battery
Duralast 1000 CA Battery
2 AWG between batteries
4 AWG from batteries to amp
Fluke AC current / voltage meter
Sears DMM

Measurements:

65.8 volts
49.2 Amps
1.33 ohm calculated rise from 0.6 ohm DCR **
3237 Watts
14.4 volts rest dropping to 10.75 volts

** - Rise was higher than when I tested the 1500D, it was 1.08 ohms for that test. Presumably since my single run of 12 AWG speaker wire is heating up some much due to the extra power. I also did a few test runs at lower volume so the coils were warmer as well.

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UPDATE ON AUGUST 26 2007:

Sean Belanger drove up from SC today with his O-Scope and a bunch of meters.

This setup was in my SPL truck with the engine OFF. At this time I have 2x Powermaster D3100s, 1x Kinetik 2400, and 1x DEKA Intimidator hooked up in the truck.

I had my trusty 50-amp pyramid supply hooked up to my batteries with 12 AWG wire just to keep them topped off, supply was set to charge at 12.8 volts and no higher.

Discovered the following from the testing:

1) Power output stays about the same as what I measured above even with a drop to around 11.8 volts.

2) Efficiency was high at 0.5 DCR with a rise to 1.32 ohms @ ~80% measured at 3030 watts of output.

3) At 0.5 DCR with a rise to 2.08 ohms we measured ~90% efficiency at 2572 watts of output.

4) When the amp was dropped down to 0.175 DCR with a rise to 0.82 ohms power only increased to 3450 watts. At this load we had to roll the volume to avoid protection so voltage was dropping to 11.2 volts by the time we got a reading. Efficiency dropped to around ~65 - 70% at this load.

5) We could have gotten more "output" from the amp but we stopped increase gain and volume when clipping made the wave-form ragged.

My conclusion for the SAZ-3000D is that, even for SPL competition, that dropping under 0.5 DCR won't gain very much. The power gain is small and results in a significant reduction in efficiency.

In a Street-A or similar one-battery limited vehicle the 3000D seems to work best for 0.5 DCR with a 2x - 4x impedance rise for maximum efficiency levels, especially if multiple amps were utilized and efficiency were key.

- Jacob Fuller
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 07:51 PM

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This setup never did come through, lost a job and a few other things happened. Though it looks really nice so I'm leaving the banner. Right now I have an AA Atlas 15 w/ a SoundStream Rubicon 502.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 08:06 PM

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- Jacob Fuller
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- 2006 VW GTI 2.0T
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- 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4x4
* My daily driver... 155.9 dB so far.
* 2x Nightshade 15s
* 4x SAZ-3000Ds
* Lots of 16v batteries and wiring
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Posted 16 July 2007 - 01:55 PM

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 02:00 PM

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- 2006 VW GTI 2.0T
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- 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4x4
* My daily driver... 155.9 dB so far.
* 2x Nightshade 15s
* 4x SAZ-3000Ds
* Lots of 16v batteries and wiring
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- Jacob Fuller
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- 2006 VW GTI 2.0T
* Stock - My ol' lady drives it now!

- 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4x4
* My daily driver... 155.9 dB so far.
* 2x Nightshade 15s
* 4x SAZ-3000Ds
* Lots of 16v batteries and wiring
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- Jacob Fuller
- Owner, Sundown Audio
- Associate, Stereo Integrity

- 2006 VW GTI 2.0T
* Stock - My ol' lady drives it now!

- 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4x4
* My daily driver... 155.9 dB so far.
* 2x Nightshade 15s
* 4x SAZ-3000Ds
* Lots of 16v batteries and wiring
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2000 4dr Gold Honda Accord.-----223000Km's, and still running strong
Wiring: 2/0 Guage Welding Wire, + and - , 1 run.-----------HU: Sony Xplod .
Rca's: Scosche Industries.-------------------------------------Subbage: 2x Clarion PXW1552 .
Box: 7 Cubes total tuned to 29hz.----------------------------Amp: Sundown Aduio SAZ1500D.
Speakers: PG QX165 Components----------------------------Lighting: Neons tuckked under the dash.
Battery: Optima Red Top Group 35.---------------------------Alt: Dom Iraggi 200 amp ~70 at idle.
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