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Awe look at ///M5 junior with the cute signature, haha

Today's ride.. about 20 miles total, solo ride so the pace was really light. It's tons of fun navigating by map. Top of the hill, overseeing the city: Top of the hill was the ridge line in the distance And I still had to go to this ridge line From the previous ridge line I saw the destination, a few lakes, barely visible in the picture Very windy on the lakes... Deserted house

Truconcept v.2. PHd in douchebaggery.

Dude, I don't have ANY idea why you posted up on the status updates about me being a moderator, but you should be glad I'm not one. You've done a lot of insulting and aggravating throughout this thread and I for one, if I were a mod, would have issued a warning and closed it before now. Whether you're getting the answer you want or not there's absolutely NO reason to be responding the way you are. Impious has given about the most technological answer that can be given without being the persons who designs and builds them. There's no need for any other response at this point IMHO.

The backplate is the area at the rear of the driver behind the magnet. It completes the magnet circuit that starts at the top plate then transfers over to the pole piece. Bumping the backplate allows for higher mechanical rearward excursion clearance. Since the Xcon utilizes a single magnet, it needs a lot more steel at the rear of the driver to allow sufficient mechanical clearance. Some drivers use multiple magnets not for additional motor force but simply to allow sufficient rearward mechanical clearance since ferrite is cheaper than steel. So yes, this is probably more costly for SSA since it's significantly more machining and higher material costs than had they used a simple flat backplate and more ferrite magnets to build up the rearward mechanical clearance. My guess for their reason for using it would be that it allows them to machine entire the gap in such a manor to optimize the air flow for cooling within the motor and it probably allows a more efficient return path for the magnetic flux. IMO neither is better or worse for any purpose as long as they're properly implemented. All things equal aluminum is lighter which allows for a lower overall moving mass, but power handling is a little lower than copper. That said the comparison is hardly ever equal. Everything is a trade-off, it's all about finding the best set of compromises. The Xcon uses a pretty long coil, my guess would be in their design the lighter coil was of larger benefit than any difference in power handling. Forgot - Four layer is how many layers of wire are used to create the voice coil. The more wire in the gap the higher the motor force (the voice coil is the "L" in BL) and generally the higher the power handling (although there are some other factors in regards to cooling that factor in as well). It really has nothing to do with SQ, it has to do with achieving the correct motor force for the design and having sufficient power handling capabilities for the desired design. 4-layer is pretty common in higher power handling, higher motor strength drivers like the Xcon. A shorting ring, also called a Faraday Ring, is an aluminum or copper ring or sleeve located within the motor of the loudspeaker. They can be located at different places in the motor (or multiple places at the same time), such as (for example) a sleeve over the pole or a cap on top of the pole, and where they are located does have an affect on their use and effectiveness and depends on the designers goals. Shorting rings, as the name implies, shorts out the eddy currents created by the moving voice coil. Ultimately they lower overall loudspeaker inductance and help reduce flux modulation within the motor. Nomex spiders are used by other loudspeaker manufacturers. It is designed from the ground up by Scott Atwell with the input of SSA and to their design specifications and performance objectives.

The only one being dramatic is you. Your questions were answered, however, not to your liking. If you want specifics, then state that. Most people want a simple answer which was provided. I won't even bother with your nonsense comment. Are you blind? The OP says PLEASE TRY TO BE SPECIFIC/TECHNICAL IN YOUR ANSWER If I wanted a simple answer I would not have typed, PLEASE TRY TO BE SPECIFIC/TECHNICAL IN YOUR ANSWER And the dramatic people are those defending SSA when noone is attacking SSA, and why are you guys so defensive anyways, is there something not being said? 90% of the answers I got were from people who do not know what they are talking about like yourself tire, saying because it is made in USA. Real good input and helpful to boot..... So don't get butthurt and go banning me or something. There is what, 1 new thread here a week, and I now see why. The ONLY technical reason is that the owners of SSA are too nice to put a real margin on their product. If they acted like other companies their products would be way more expensive.I wouldn't call this defending SSA, hell almost ripping on them. I give them shit regularly about raising the prices as they are inappropriately low for what you get. As for understanding marketing on how things are priced, there isn't a major audio manufacturer that my company hasn't been a critical cog in the design of the drivers. I've been in countless R&D and manufacturing centers and have an extremely good understanding of production cost. In the grand scheme of things it NEVER changes the selling price. You'd also cry at the markup's the big players can have as production is definitely an economy of scale and it is absurd how cheap things can be manufactured that way. The whole topic is a prepubescent nightmare showing an obvious disconnect in the world of business.

So your answer is USA labor and quality. Yea that is exactly what the OP asks for.... How about what specifically with the quality? Is the basket machined a certain way with special coatings? Is the surround made of some high quality super rubber that most subs do not use? Is it because of the way the voice coil is put together? does that take more time? Those would be better questions to answer instead of "because things cost more in the USA". And if you guys think Mark and AAron should answer this, then why are you posting? Nobody is asking about the business, I am asking about the materials in the SSA woofer that makes it worth the price. It's not the material, its the tooling. Ask for prices in a machine shop, how much is an hour on the CNC. You more than likely get tighter tolerances, better assembled parts, better consistency in a batch of motors tooled in the US. One good example is a batch of subs made in China and sold here all had the spiders come off at some point, needing a new dustcap, shimming the coil and re-gluing the spider if no damage was done to the coil. Why? Because chinese baskets weren't prepped for glue right. I have a basket from FI sitting next to me. All the glue surfaces are sanded to bare aluminum. The devil is in the details

So your answer is USA labor and quality. Yea that is exactly what the OP asks for.... How about what specifically with the quality? Is the basket machined a certain way with special coatings? Is the surround made of some high quality super rubber that most subs do not use? Is it because of the way the voice coil is put together? does that take more time? Those would be better questions to answer instead of "because things cost more in the USA". And if you guys think Mark and AAron should answer this, then why are you posting? Nobody is asking about the business, I am asking about the materials in the SSA woofer that makes it worth the price. While they do use the higher (maybe highest, I can't say for certain because I just don't know) quality parts in the cone, surround, spiders, etc. the real money is in the labor and the fact that each and every motor is machined from a blank slug of steel, assembled and the magnet is charged at that point. I'm also fairly certain the coils are each custom wound as well then all of the parts assembled by hand. That process happens over and over again for each and every driver that is built in the build house. There's a great deal of cost in building things in that manner but it helps ensure the process produces some of the highest quality, most robust and trustworthy drivers on the market. Mark and Aaron may or may not have more to add, but that's the reasons in a nutshell that they're a little spendy compared to other brands with similar specifications. At least how I see it and how it's been explained in the past. Aside from that, why do you ask? I can't see any good coming from asking such a personal question about one brand in particular without giving (actual) good cause. Everyone has their preferences and favorite brands and it's no secret that many of the members of this forum has used, liked, and will defend the SSA brand but I also believe it's for a very good reason. If this is to start any kind of trouble I'm certain it won't and this will be put to bed in a hurry.

US quality, labor, and parts are expensive, but Americans are cheap and want cheap shit. Why do you think everything is made in china now?

You look at all the USA built brands like AA, Fi, ect. They are't over priced for the best built subs in the world.

I'm not going to be very specific but, I'll list a few reasons for the pricing. Price of parts, labor, overhead, tools, then you have to also consider they're a business and if a business isn't making money they wont stay around too long. *Edit: just wanted to also state these are from my viewpoint and I could be 100% wrong.

what?

As many of us tried to explain in your threads on this before, given the limitations you have on your installation you're simply NOT going to get any real noticeable improvement by just changing the subs. The limitations that are causing sub-par performance with your current subs will cause the same issue with new ones. We feel your pain, believe me we do, but there's no magic sub that's just going to instantly make the problems with the limitations you have become null and void. I've personally been through the same thing with a friend when we were just out of high school. Had a pair of 12" Kicker Competition subs behind his seat in truck boxes and didn't like the lack of performance compared to how they performed when he had them in a wedge shaped box in the car he sold for the truck. He got suckered into buying a pair of Alumapro subs by a salesman at a local shop who claimed they would be a major improvement. Boy was he ever pissed off when they didn't even get as loud as the Kickers, sounded better yes, but not even as loud. You've got to come to terms with the fact that your install limitations are going to cause issue with the performance no matter what sub you're using. Without a larger enclosure, different tuning, more port area, etc. you're not going to see any sizeable improvement.

Am I supposed to feel bad? Because I dont. You asked a question and I answered. There is nothing personal to my response, so why are you giving up? Do you think a cheap set of speakers strapped to your head will sound good? Go for it. I suggested bookshelf speakers because at least there would be some design involved and trial/error. It would get your mind moving and be much more rewarding in the end. Hell if you'd be willing to post a small build log on here, I'll donate a pair of full range speakers for your project.

In all of the projects I have ever posted about on here, i've probably spent a total of less than $100. I get things secondhand, or pick them. That being said, the drivers i've found so far are all under $5, so a pair would be less than 15 after shipping. It's starting to get clear that it's useless asking questions here anymore, I understand it's not exactly a conventional project, none of mine are really; but I would at least expect a bit of a break for being excited enough about audio stuff to want to experiment in any way I can , despite not being financially well off. Not everyone can afford nice toys; I'm homeless, I come to the local college to use the wifi to get on here. I'm trying to stay off drugs and out of jail by dumping my focus on speakers, and this is how i'm met with it. I'm lost; I thought this was a hobby not a cut and dried process to attain sound. What happened to trying new things, or having fun with it? I used to really respect people's opinions here, but not while you all put me down like this. I quit.

where did it say 3? It didn't I failed at reading.

Posting again about my recone. Just bord and wanting it bad lol. Sucks it takes this long cause Iv had a few people iv built boxes for want ssa subs after hearing mine but wouldnt order any cause how long its taking me just to get a recone.. I know its hard to keep up with orders but I know there would be a lot more subs sold if there was less time to wait

Not sure if im following you 100% but for android that would be Google Play https://play.google.com/music/listen

He's posted a few pictures of his Setup, although he Deleted the one where he had 2 Sub Boxes, and 2 different sets of Subs.

Pepboys, autozone, radioshack, you can buy a toggle switch from any of them. Better off just ordering one off Ebay, as I saw a few switches for like $15 each at pepboys Nvm radioshack has them for a decent price

nvm

Shizzzon is steering you in the right direction, because if it IS a hardware related issue, reformatting wont do Jack.

try unplugging your laptop from the wall, taking out the battery, and holding the power button for 20-30 seconds then put your battery back in. Then try booting into safe mode w/ networking and update your graphic drivers as shizz said. my ideas are better than your idea roflll unplug and blah hahaha and display control or whatever its called on nvidia, excuse me why don't u submit some more brilliant advice instead of trashing mine i waited a couple days before posting, i just wanna help ive fixed laptops with blue screen errors by reinstalling windows before so im sharing and shizzon no disrespect taken i understand this is a technical subject idk how it works im just putting what has worked for me if windows registry has multiple errors then it could "overwork" the cpu to the point of protecting itself to the blue screen? Removing all power from the laptop resets Cmos, so if for any reason something in the Bios was changed, it would be reset to default.

Catalyst Control Center is a program associated with ATI/AMD GPU's and has NOTHING Todo with Nvidia GPUs, nor will it tell you if something is wrong with your graphics hardware.

Not to mention assuming the laptop only has 1 partition he would lose everything on the laptop.