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Guys, did I miss something? Why is there only one ICON? Why is there nothing AFTER the ICON? What's up? That's it now?

Did a little more searching (and reading). Guess everything got discontinued, is being re-manufactured (I hope / it seems). The jump is a little much right now ... from a single 12" 1250rms to ... well, currently nothing. Even a jump to over 3k would be too much IMO

I was going to do that too but I read the rules (so I thought) and I didn't see it listed ... just users doing it. Ah well, looks like it's sold today so, I'll be closing the whole thing. Thanks for letting me know. Edit: Okay you're right, I guess my eyes just skipped to the red bolded line. Edit 2: SOLD SOLD SOLD Moderators - Please Close Thread / Delete

Includes all parts in the briefcase needed for operation. It does not have a software disc but that is not needed anymore. Simply go on to the site and download the full install to your computer, that's what I did. This includes an active membership for up to 2 computers (I will de-activate mine that it is on) which cost me $69 this year. Also includes a brand new ethernet cable I just purchased. Over $80 invested this year. $500 Shipped or best offer. Cash negotiable based on offers that come in. Do not need trades, do not need product, sorry. The Term-Lab is coming from Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I plan to have the item insured for shipping. Although my posts do not reflect it, this username is found on many car audio websites and I have lots of feedback in my own country, not to mention Heatware and eBay feedback from years of buying and selling. Reason for selling: No longer using.

Without sounding like a complete douche and "Oh, I have so much audio equipment ..." I think everyone knows there's a lot of good pieces out there on the used market. I've got JL w7's and my share of 4-channel amplifiers. My question is about the w7, but any car audio equipment for that matter ... I know next to nothing about home audio, other than I like it and I'm sure I'll go down this route as I get older (mature / family). In this situation, is it worth holding onto these pieces and trying to make something of it? Or just go on as I would and purchase proper home audio pieces when the time comes? The only reason I ask is it would be silly to spend $500 on a 300w home subwoofer when I have a 750w w7 that has home applications as well. And 4 Channels, besides the ghetto look in your living room, could probably run a set of speakers I imagine. Thanks for your help. I just don't want to sell off all my equipment (in the process of) and then regret it in 2 years time.

I'd go with more components, more midbass before I go pro audio. I was thinking the same thing you are but decided against him ... probably the best move. I was listening to this guy that has 2 SMD subs off a Kicker Warhorse (so just imagine that) in his Jeep ... 3 sets of Kicker components in the doors ... wow, keeping up, all day long.

Anyone care to look into the crystal ball and tell me where we will be at in 5+ years for subwoofers? Back Story: I own a near mint 10w7 and a 13w7 in pro wedge box. I'm deciding on selling a lot of my equipment (locally) because I've upgraded (Crescendo 3500) BUT I KNOW in about 5 years time, when I buy a different car, I will be "starting over" and probably starting small - 1k setup. And because I'm nearly giving this stuff away, I'm beginning to wonder, do I store it and use it 5 years from now because I'm saving a few hundred dollars ... or get rid of it, even at a few hundred-dollars loss in hopes that equipment is going to be EVEN BETTER in 5+ years? Besides my issue, I'm really wondering, are we all going neo-magnets ... I see DD has come with a new spider structure, 4" as well for 2012 ... other manufacturers to follow? With the success of SSA, they are always re-inventing themselves it seems ... same with Sundown Audio ... YouTube sensation MTX (Thanks Steve Meade) is changing the industry (I feel) ... THOUGHTS???

So let me ask this: Are the products from China as good? Should we give credit where credit is due? Do the American companies have to take notice? Or is this a warning of sub-par products to come? I thought a lot of parts were already manufactured from China ... so why not the entire product?

Is it better to always trickle? I just started charging regularly (or want to) ... My real question (and not answered) is for how long ... Some say any help is good ... some guys say they charge all night (SPL guys, different game) ... Daily driver, just want the most I can get on the road from these babies ...

So I think if we can conclude anything, the better subwoofer companies need to know their market. Keep the company growing but don't expand too much, the market you have is a small percentage and not looking to expand any time soon ... They probably think differently though ...

The shallow sub is a huge market. Again, OEM integration ... the market that wants something more, that doesn't want to sacrifice what they have (the deck, the trunk space). This is HUGE and as a guy who use to valet cars, I see more stealth installs than actual big-bang installs that you see on YouTube. Those are few and far.

Modding a new car is becoming harder and harder. If audio companies don't know how to combat this (like products that work with the existing head unit or mobile phone devices), it will be the death of them. People are not going to mess up their beautifully integrated Ford, Chevrolet or Honda dash to try and put a non-matching single or double din. This is becoming more and more of a problem IMO. I hear what you're saying about the YouTube phenomena. But I think the market (and the sport) needs more interest - period, however it comes. You start with a crappy walmart system and move your way up. I think a good example of this is Exo. This is NOT your typical "audio guy" ... skateboarding, kinda nerdy ... but yet, he started with the Walmart system (literally) and has moved up along the way to bigger and greater things. Now he has various sponsors. I don't have a problem with people getting into the scene with bad equipment, but I see (and probably agree) that BETTER companies might lose out. The only thing they can do is tell us why their product is better and we as consumers gotta buy into it.

I was talking to someone who was thinking about distributing there in my city ... hands down winner IMO. SO SMALL (if space is an issue) but what we were talking about was the power ... You can hear the fan a bit (gotta cool somehow) but other than that, a very good product just coming out.

I'm more concerned about the technology. Like I said, I have near-new equipment. I'm debating whether I keep it for the "one day" which I know will come or just get rid of it and start fresh when I'm ready ... I'm actually torn. I don't need the money at this very moment so it sitting is not a big deal. Yeah I know ... I almost wrote that in the original comment. Everyone is moving, except for JL. They keep going back to the same old, same old. Now, same package, different colour. I'm a fan of good technology, just necessarily a JL fan. I'm upgrading to SSA as we speak so ... not a JL fan boy to the death like some.

But has nothing changed? Doesn't feel like the "same old boys club" when it comes to who's on top and who isn't ... MTX has been resurrected from the dead (IMO), I'm sure they have Top Sales for 2010-2012 if anyone is tracking. The fact that manufacturers are not only thinking about neo-magnets, but some are actually selling them on mass now ... The death of some major brands these past few years ... I mean, we're definitely not a stale period of time, there's a lot going on.

2 10" SSA Icon's I want ported, firing back in a trunk setup. Newer model Chevrolet Impala, so I have a lot of room to play with (in terms of the 18 3/8's width given, I can go more). Should I stick with the pre-designed enclosure numbers or do something different, because I have the space? 1k to each subwoofer. Hip-Hop & R&B - All the lows I'm getting someone to build the box so I only have 1 shot at this, so to say. Thanks guys.

Okay sounds good. I just didn't know if that was "Optimal" to be Optimal but it's EVEN BETTER if I can provide more space ... But, I'll stick to what's given

Never too old, I've met a lot of forum guys who were a lot older than I would have ever imagined. And, usually very knowledgeable too.

I was debating between sealing off and firing inside the cabin (seats drop down) to clean up the wiring mess I'm going to have but then I thought the "easier" solution would be get the box built, throw it in. I'm still on the fence because both are not that far apart from one another in terms of $$$ Money is not the issue, it's whether I'm going to get the over-the-top bass I'm looking for by firing in, I don't know. WHICH brought me back to using the pre-designed enclosure, since they probably know what's best ...

Don't know if you can tell from my original post, but that's actually the way I was leaning (in my mind). That proper, made-for-home equipment might be better than the budget build I might attempt with car audio. Thanks for the advice. Just going through the phases so buying and selling the audio equipment at the moment

I always hate these "either-or" scenarios but I'd like some ideas for 2,000 to just below 3,000rms. I'd like to run 2 10" SSA ICON's which run at 1250rms a piece ... The amplifier needs to run at 1ohm or above, not below. I have 2 JL 1000/1's I can run. Takes up a lot of room to run 2 but I know it will be stable power at 2,000rms. 100A Fuse Per Amplifier. To make things look nice, I'm considering selling the 2 amplifiers to buy a Rockford T2500-1bdCP - 2,500rms. 300A Fuse I just want someone to agree with me and say yes, you're nuts and go for it. OR Someone to say "No, don't do that, you have amazing amps already, RF is downgrading" etc etc ... It's hard to find this information online when you're not comparing 2 equals ... I'm looking at stats and specs like a deer in the headlights so ... a little help is appreciated.

A really good question I wish I could have answered ... Is there any thing someone can do to determine what's best for their vehicle w/o actually building 2 sets of boxes? A meter ... A careful ear ... I dunno. I'm still debating where I'm going with my own build, so I know the conflict your facing.

I'm surprised nobody said SoundDigital, unless it's already been mentioned and I missed it. I've seen it burped out a few vehicles and it seems to be fine. I've never personally run any in my own vehicles though.

I like the discussion that just took place ... it actually helps ANY amplifier purchaser ... And on a side note, I suggested other amps because anything can be sold. In the used market, I can sell the JL Amps locally and though I won't get $1200, if it's for more room and a better build, I'd do it. That's my thinking, that's all. Just looking for the power, keeping the electrical in mind, probably keeping the SQ in mind too lol I picked up the JL's for a good price so that's what started it actually. I'm not a JL luva luva to the core.

Maybe $1200 maximum? It's flexible if I believed I was getting a product that's worth it. Musical system though, not SPL numbers.