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  1. So I am a noob here but have done my best to gather all the facts for others to help me with my predicament. I recently pulled out my Boston Acoustics SPZ60's to install that I bought from my bro and found that one of the tweets and coaxial mounts were missing. We both looked around to no avail and now I'm left with buying new tweets and making a component style setup instead of the coax setup I wanted. I have access to Clio sound testing equipment and tested the mid. It operates between 100-2k hz. This leaves me believing I need a tweet that will get at least close to 2k or I will have a big hole in my front stage. My vital info: Tweets will be run off of channels 1+2 of a Zed Leviathan Size matters. The smaller the better as I am putting them in the A pillar now. I may be able to fab a spot in the kick panel if necessary. SQ is of top importance but I do listen to them at a moderate level for extended periods. My budget is around $250. Could go a bit more if it was a must have item. I listen to mostly rock and pop. Mostly live stuff such as Dave Mathews, Pink Floyd and the like. I have considered Focal TN52's or 47's as I have heard Focals in home audio and they are quite impressive but I'm not sure how they would work in a car. I have tried to give as much info as possible to help you help me. If I missed something please let me know. On a side note I had some garbage CDT tweets that were silk dome and they were smooth but not quite as accurate as I would want. I would rather attenuate a brighter tweet if I had to then want more from something not so accurate. Thanks in advance. I am not up to date on most of the new technology or products on the market so I would appreciate some help from the Guru's Cheers
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    And here comes the M5 nutswinger! Once his balls are off your chin tell him that I can appreciate what he knows and the time he spent on my thread. He needs to understand how to communicate a little better. I asked a simple question and received many great responses but M5 just could not get it straight. Car audio. Is always trial and error but you have to start somewhere. I asked for a quality tweeter of a certain size that would possibly integrate with the other equipment that I have and his responses were vague at best and pointed towards replacing a bunch of my equipment just to narrow down choices of tweeters. I am not offended big boy. You carry on and nutswing to your hearts content. I am educated, successful and mature so your remarks really mean nothing. Oh and how much time at the computer with a bottle of Jergens in one had and your unit in the other does it take to compile over 7000 posts? Food for thought!
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    The only thing good about anything you post is the chic in your sig. I can't believe you have the ability to piss off so many people so easily. I know this from the many people that have messaged me saying how much of a turd you are. You have not mentioned anything useful yet continue to talk in circles for your personal amusement. You have 50k posts on a forum dude. That speaks for itself! Denim.....my apologies for the above. Thanks for the hook up on the Leviathan and for your post above. I am just now getting everything together after a crazy holiday season. I really find it hard to believe guys like M5 are allowed to even operate in any capacity on this forum. Makes me not want to be a member here at times. Happy New Year to you all! Except d-bag M5.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Ok. This will be the last time I will respond with regard to what I have and have not answered or included. I have included ALL the components besides the sub arrangement that I am currently working with. I will not sit here and break down the specs of each component just to get some SUGGESTIONS as to what a quality SQ oriented tweeter is that would fit into my equation. All is have been asking for is suggestions. I don't need somebody to tell me I need to overhaul my entire system in order to buy a tweeter. Car audio is the land of imperfection and like I said before it's like chasing the end of a rainbow. I may buy 5 or more different drivers until I like the way things sound. Oh and then I might even get tired of the way it sounds and want to change it again. This whole discussion again was for BASIC input for a quality SQ tweeter and is turning into something completely different. Sometimes forums really suck. This all reminds me of some of the guys on the other forum I frequent. You ask what is a quality exhaust manifold to achieve XYZ and instead of offering suggestions they proceed to pick apart your modification process and tell you that you should just build the motor and tranny first which costs 10x what the exhaust does. What begins as a simple question results in somebodies mental barf bag with no conclusion. Oh my. 4xforce OUT!
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Ya the 24db/oct slope is great for pushing the crossover point a bit further and still have the protection the drivers need. Im not sure how it will work in a car audio environment. I think that Leviathan uses all 24db slopes and I'll be using that mostly at first. I should be fine. It will be trial and error for a while until I can pick up a new head unit.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    To add to the above the Seas coax was just put out there as a feeler of sorts. I wanted to know if that would be an option down the road but I will take your(M5) advice an stay away from them.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    So it seems I don't have any idea what I'm doing. I get told I'm jumping way ahead of myself but you offer no plan of action. A new HU is not an option at the moment and I can't believe I need to get a new HU in order to make an educated decision on a tweeter. New HU would be optimal but I won't be entering this thing into any competitions any time soon if ever. Please if you are going to tell me I am headed the wrong direction with this give me a guideline that YOU would follow so I can consider it. The only thing I have been told is that I have no sound processing capability.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    What do you guys think about these for main front stage in the doors? Doors aren't too well sealed so sorta an infinite baffle deal. Might be something I would be willing to replace these SPZ60's as I was wanting a coaxial setup. https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=45_238&products_id=8494
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    ^^What sort of power are you running to them? It's nice to know that they can be crossed over that low at 24bd/oct.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    I also kinda figured I should be able to dial it in pretty close with the Leviathan. True a new HU would give me more detailed adjustment though
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Thanks. I will keep that in mind. It would be great if the cheapies worked out.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Well my uncle gets a pretty fat Madisound discount so it's not very much out of pocket. I actually did decide on the aluminum ones after talking with him. I also took your advice M5 and found a place just in front of the mid in the stock plastic kick panel that would turn the tweet in about 30-45 degrees. I also got two of those LPG swivel mounts to aid me in finding the right orientation for them. Bottom line is I don't have a system at all worth listening to without tweeters and it's a bunch cheaper than getting a new HU. I will be sure to report back on the Seas tweeters next week. Getting them shipped 2day so it should be up and running by the end of next week. Thank you very much for the HU suggestions. I will check I to it.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    That's the ones I'm picking up. Thought about the aluminum version for a minute but they don't seem to hold any advantage to these really. Cheap as can be and if they don't work out then oh well. Not much lost.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    As a matter of fact I think that might be what I'll do. The cut out is the same for both the Seas and Scanspeak. Plus I found a place right next to the mid but in the kick panel that would allow me to mount them angled in about 45 degrees. I do appreciate everybodies input. If anyone else has ideas let me know. But for now it looks like I am gonna try to blow up some cheap tweets.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    That's the one I thought might be garbage I think. It's the Prestige 27TFFNC/G or H1396. It's only $33. I sometimes feel like how the he'll could somebody produce something that sounds good for super cheap. I could be wrong. My only problem is that Fs is 1170hz. If I dare cross it at around 3k with a 24db/oct slope it might hold up but I would like to know that I could cross the tweet a bit lower and still not blow it out. I believe the rule of thumb is 4 octave higher than a drivers Fs. And that would be 4500 for these small things. Far from the 2k I'm trying for. Something to consider I guess especially at that price point.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Any in particular that you were thinking of. I saw some smaller Seas but they were cheap and figured they were garbage.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Any suggestion on other brands of HU's? Or other models than the ones you listed. I am having a tough time finding anybody that has those models.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    If it's not that much I would upgrade. My 8445 has been acting up lately so a replacement is coming sooner rather than later. Still no suggestions on a tweeter? I will check into the new HU. The crossover network on the amp would not have enough adjustment for this or am I missing the point?
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    OK. So I hate to be the type of person who says "I know somebody that....." but it is my uncle and we are very close so I guess it's alright. The vertical symmetricals are not a brand of course they are tower type speakers for home audio. He has been building home audio speakers for many years for local folks and happens to be a hair splitting type of dude if you know what I mean. The towers consist of 2 10" Scanspeak Revelator woofers (either paper or aluminum), 2 Scanspeak 8545's, a Focal TC120 TDX totally reworked by him, custom crossovers built by him (about $500-700 in material each depending on what stage we are referring to), 1.25" phenolic laminate front and rear baffles and Cardas wire. They have ruined any chance of ever fully enjoying any other setup especially with the 18' McCully(sp?) sub. Dude! I have never felt lows like that in anything but live music. It's rather amazing. Back to my topic. The large format thing has me thinking. The vehicle is a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo. Basically a lancer with 450hp and all wheel drive. The only options to me for the tweet seem to be 1) the stock plastic kick panel area, 2) the A pillar which has a small area already on the stock plastic trim where there was a stock tweet or 3) Coaxial mounted which is what I originally wanted. I have been in vehicles with custom kick panels and even though they sound good I have never been a fan of how intrusive they become especially on the drivers side in a manual tranny car. I thought if Q-Logic ever made kicks for it I might try them but they don't to my knowledge. I am not opposed to the A pillar idea but space there is really limited unless I surface mount something. I would like to try to stay away from the surface mount to keep the tweakers from spotting my system and wanting to take something back to their trailer if you know what I mean. I would like to add that maybe I could run something larger surface mounted to the stock plastic kick panel and something smaller in the A pillar. Thoughts? The HU is an old Eclipse 8445 that is less than optimal I know. It does have a 7 band eq and time alignment for the front stage. Phase and crossover adjustment for the sub. I hope this info is leading us in the right direction. I really appreciate your input and not totally flaming me. Cheers
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Thanks for your reply. When I get off this damn iPhone and can type a little more efficiently I will give a full reply. Give me about 45 min.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Well let me start by saying I had a feeling you might take exception to my post. I read another similar thread that became a pissing match because the OP didn't apparently offer enough information and I thought I had provided enough but I guess not. I need to say that as much as I love my car audio stuff if I were trying to get the perfect sound stage and best SQ I would just go to listen to my uncles system with Pass Labs monoblocks, Krell preamps, vertical symmetricals, a 18"sub the size of a washing machine all tied together with custom Cardas wire etc etc. Perfect car audio systems are like trying to find the end of a rainbow. Ain't gonna happen and I know this. With that said I will try to add a little to help with the question at hand. Like I originally said size matters. The tweet needs to be small. Like a max of a 1-1.2 inch mounting depth. Basically the smaller the better. The mid sounds fine playing to 2k. Starts rolling off at about 2.3-2.4k. It is mounted in the door in standard location far forward in the door. I have no desire to get into a 3 way system to cut this mid off any lower. The tweet will be placed in the door or kick panel and will be perpendicular in relation to the vehicle. Of course each channels degree of off axis will be different depending on which occupant we would be talking about. There is no possibility of a custom kick panel or mounting setup. The exception to this is the A pillar location which is angled inward about 30 degrees.This is going into a high performance vehicle where weight is a concern. My material preference is just like every other SQ guy. I want my cake and eat it too. The clarity and precision of a high end metal tweeter with the warmth and ease of long term listening of top notch textile tweeter. Do take some of my ranting the wrong way. You obviously have been in the industry for a while and have done your homework so I respect your opinion. I just have a tough time splitting so many hairs for car audio hence the rainbow chasing reference. I just want a high quality tweet that will blend well with this mid. Doesn't have to be perfect I just don't want to buy garbage. Oh and sound processing is pretty much very very basic. The Eclipse HU has some processing capability and whatever I can get out of adjusting the Leviathan. Thanks for your time.
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    Need SQ tweeter suggestions

    Nice! I have been cruising Madisound and have not seen those. Have you ever heard them? I have heard Scanspeak mid drivers and they are one of the best. Thanks
  23. 4xforce

    ** ZED Audio Group Buy #3 **

    Got my Leviathan yesterday and all I can say is WOW! If it sounds even half as good as it looks I will be one happy mofo! I encourage anyone else that's on the fence about these amps to take a second look. Quality is amazing. I will report back in a week or two on how it sounds. Thanks for the hook up Denim!
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    ** ZED Audio Group Buy #3 **

    Thanks for the quick response. Sorry to hear about the guys injury. Thankfully I am not mid project so the delay is not much of a big deal. Still looking forward to getting it and even though I am not very active on this forum I will definately provide some feedback on how this works for me. My vehicle is very performance oriented so minimizing weight with one amp is very attractive. The system will be very simple and consist of Boston Acoustics SPZ60 front stage and one SPG555 sub in a sealed box. Oh and some garbage CDT rear fill if needed. I previously used a JL Audio 500/1 and 300/2 so I am looking forward to the comparison. If there is any.
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    ** ZED Audio Group Buy #3 **

    I guess they are not quite caught up on production. I have yet to receive my amp or get any notification of it being shipped.
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