JustinW

got ya, I didn't even think of it.. was just looking at options lol going to try them, others had a ton of success so I will at least try, I have 16 6.5" pyle ppa-6s if nothing else I will use a few of those in place until I find another option. I appreciate the advice though. I will keep everyone updated as I start the install.

alright.. so this is probably less complicated than I am making it... so i'll list the gear I plan to use first: Currently using a Kenwood KDC-MP435U with an aux for mp3 players. Wanting to switch to IF needed: Eclipse CD5100 with/without a EQ1000 - Eclipse 6 Band 1/2 DIN Equalizer/Crossover lows - 2 15" Dayton MKIII mids/extended/ midtweet - 8 http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=290-212&scqty=6 highs - 4 http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-035&scqty=4 Sub amp - Proto sundown 1800 @ 1 ohm Mid Amp - Proto sundown 75x4 @ 4 ohm Highs Amp - Eclipse EA1412 15x4 @ 4 ohm here is my problem. I have never done crossovers/EQs etc and always had shops do this for me when I got all my gear ready. I have no idea what I need for certain to make this all work so i'm trying to figure out what to crossover at for my mids/extended range and my tweets and also need help with the eclipse amp. The only setting it has on it is a H-L sensitivity switch which I was told is like a gain by someone on car audio. I was told I could use FMODs to block out the frequencies and I was also told I could probably do it with the headunit itself so i am confused at this point as to what all I need and im looking for advice from the people on here. I have plenty of electrical for the setup, a yellowtop - 240 amp stinger alt 1/0 to back with 4awg distro and four shuriken BT20s. I am unsure on if I need the 1/2 din in there or not but it was just something I was looking at if the headunit wasn't able to help either. Someone help me, I really would like to get this all installed soon. If pics of the eclipse amp are needed, just let me know.. lots of pics of it can be found on google though. hope I cleared up what im asking for.. any help appreciated. I had originally planned to just run them all off the proto 4 channel but I got the eclipse for really cheap and want to incorporate it.

considering adding 2 of the dayton 7" mids as you all had major concerns with my lack of midbass, they go from 40hz to 2,xxx range. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-374 would you approve of this idea or just try it how I have it right now? i'll either be trying to work them into my current 4 channel and underpower the 4"s by putting more per channel or taking my audiopipe 4 channel OR jl audio jx 360/4 that I also have... and adding it in just for the 7s. awaiting your advice on this. Also someone is interested in my current 8" proto neo sub I considering switching 2 so I may not use it or the 15" mkIIIs, may switch to a single sub tc based pending what I can get. i'll let you know on this as well. also, thank you Impious.. I think i've said thanks to you the least and im sorry for that. It's greatly appreciated.

I have four of the BT-20s for my 2000ish watt install coming up, I can't wait really.. got them for near 49.99 new shipped each during a sale on sonicelectronix, can't beat that.

Ended up with a 7200MKII, paid a little more..but it's near mint/mint. missing a remote and box but I can always pick those up later on.

what an idiot.

seen a lot of people have groundloop or some noise issue with them on caraudio.com before when I looked them up once. I'm gonna try to pickup the 7100 if it becomes unpending. i'll keep ya updated.

so it'll either be 5100/with EQ or the 7100 by itself and i'll be set? sorry, just wanting to be very clear on everything. I don't mean to frustrate you or anyone else.

Alton, thanks for the help. I'll contact the seller on it shortly and hopefully have it picked up then. update: I think he said it was pending at the moment .. would the 5100 I thought about not work? even with/without the 6 band eq/crossover?

what seems to be the issue with the midbass? can you be more specific? now the first video is from singaboy, who is the same guy who had the big lms 18s in the eclipse ( most watched tc vid on youtube ) and he is a big SQ/tc guy and he recommended them and said they have a wide range and to not overlook them. I again, know that you can't really go by youtube videos alone.. but everyone who has posted videos about them or talked about them only has positive things to say about their range so I have to at least try them, they weren't that costly for the 8 that I have now regardless. I have no problems there sir ... That midbass sounded AWESOME !!! Especially the one playing in the cardboard enclosure !!! What was that thing tuned to ?? while I appreciate any response offering help, I detect a hint of sarcasm when I was truly asking what issue you had with their being no midbass from these? clearly they can play midbass just fine ( among ) other ranges so that is why I was asking. No need for the rash comment like that. Just explain what you meant. It may not be sarcasm, he normally has no clue about much of anything. Drew conclusions that they were 4" drivers. Amusing as those drivers do have a problem, but I wouldn't call it midbass. If they sound good to you then fine, but I wouldn't use them in a 2 way with a tweeter only and yes I have heard them. Couldn't agree more with Impious that a headunit is the way to go, but I'd still like to know more about the install before saying anything about the tweeter other than the one you selected is good but not at all for pairing with your midbasses. Oh, and videos do not share any useful information ever. Really not anything you can glean from them. Curious what you think you did though... lol at the no clue comment, anyhow I didn't think I learned anything from the videos itself if that's what you'd like to hear.. simply saying a major SQ type guy said don't overlook them and they had great range. I'm pretty sure we went over that you can't get much from videos, I was just showing.. they can do a wider range than what cablguy184 was thinking as I wanted him to explain why he said that. I have seen an eclipse 7100 for sale just last night, http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_8704_Eclipse-CD7100.html specs here. Im thinking this would be close if not right now for what I need? as far as I know it's just the previous model of the 7200MKII but still in my price range.

I have around 250 extra at this moment. In that case, I would go for the more expensive option. That would be to either purchase a headunit with built in active crossovers, or an external active crossover. The Sundown amp does not have the more advanced crossover networks, so you will need an active crossover (either in a headunit or an external crossover) with the ability to bandpass (both highpass and lowpass) the mids and highpass the tweeters. I won't mention the cheap route since you have the money to spend, and the more expensive route will give you the tools you need to atleast upgrade some if/when you feel the need. Are you open to purchasing a headunit other than that Eclipse? Are you open to purchasing a used headunit? Getting a headunit with the necessary xover adjustments would honestly be the easiest route. Is there any model of eclipse as far as headunits go that I could use? Wanted to stick with eclipse as that is the only named brand in my entire build as far as anything with a logo on it. everything else is delabeled or delogo'd/proto'd. If not that is fine as well. Im open to purchasing used no problem as long as it's from a trusted seller.

what seems to be the issue with the midbass? can you be more specific? I know as it's been said, it isn't much to go by for just youtube videos but.. here they are playing la roux without any tweets at all and here playing ghettoblaster on all levels, sub/mid/high http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LtATGtxHXI&feature=related now the first video is from singaboy, who is the same guy who had the big lms 18s in the eclipse ( most watched tc vid on youtube ) and he is a big SQ/tc guy and he recommended them and said they have a wide range and to not overlook them. I again, know that you can't really go by youtube videos alone.. but everyone who has posted videos about them or talked about them only has positive things to say about their range so I have to at least try them, they weren't that costly for the 8 that I have now regardless. I have no problems there sir ... That midbass sounded AWESOME !!! Especially the one playing in the cardboard enclosure !!! What was that thing tuned to ?? while I appreciate any response offering help, I detect a hint of sarcasm when I was truly asking what issue you had with their being no midbass from these? clearly they can play midbass just fine ( among ) other ranges so that is why I was asking. No need for the rash comment like that. Just explain what you meant.

what seems to be the issue with the midbass? can you be more specific? I know as it's been said, it isn't much to go by for just youtube videos but.. here they are playing la roux without any tweets at all and here playing ghettoblaster on all levels, sub/mid/high http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LtATGtxHXI&feature=related now the first video is from singaboy, who is the same guy who had the big lms 18s in the eclipse ( most watched tc vid on youtube ) and he is a big SQ/tc guy and he recommended them and said they have a wide range and to not overlook them. I again, know that you can't really go by youtube videos alone.. but everyone who has posted videos about them or talked about them only has positive things to say about their range so I have to at least try them, they weren't that costly for the 8 that I have now regardless.

I have around 250 extra at this moment.

lol.

pretty much the same thing. :/..

Because we don't know what the xover in the Sundown is like. We were trying to save you money by waiting to see how much of your current equipment will fit your needs. here we go, just got home so sorry for that. Appreciate the help and trying to save me money. sundown proto 4 channel eclipse 4 channel also my proto neo 8" im considering using instead of the 15s. im just proud of it as it's all custom tooled lol. hope the pics help, all I have until I get the eclipse in my possession and the mono amp as well. Mail is slow.

Well. I'll get some pics of my amps setting as they arrive. The four channel proto came but I didn't have time yesterday for pics. I appreciate everyones help in my matter and such but keep in mind. As long as I'm happy with it should be all that matters correct? Well if I can get help making it work. I will be more than happy lol Note to Alton also, thanks for the kind words. Pending how my sugar is. Sometimes I do come off with An^ attitude but it's not intentional by any means. It's acting before thinking and I do pretty well with it now compared to when I didn't take care of myself as well. I am happy to have many of the adult responses I've gotten and don't mean for anyone to think I'm not thankful if I seem that way. Joys of being diabetic and not sleeping much mixed together lol

Hope you aren't basing that on the little verbage on PE's site and if you do want to use them that way you are going to need some processing to make it happen. I suppose you are going to tell us they can play at reference level (well below loud) down to 60Hz as well. If you want to use a simple external crossover, I'd choose other drivers but without knowing mounting locations and such its hard to recommend anything. try... i'm sure you can do it :/.. lol. and no.. i'm not telling you anything, what would I tell you that you don't already know apparently? now.. that aside.. mount locations for drivers should have little effect on just suggesting a crossover should it? I'm not being rude... i'm just wanting to do my system.. nothing more.

I haven't bought the tweets just yet.. I planned to as I said in original post. I did get the 8 4"s though. A speaker is a speaker is a speaker.. the 4"s do up to 10,000 without much hassle and the tweets start well under that. This is why i'm not understanding the issue. If as alton said, a simple external crossover would work, why hasn't this been suggested yet apart from him saying it? a brand to look at .. what type i'd need.. for my application etc. Would it make it simplier if I just said, I need to make the eclipse amp work for my tweets and leave out every other part of my system? I think that'd be a more direct way to get what i'm asking but then im fairly certain people would just ask for more information about what im running regardless of my question of just wanting to know how to get the amp to work.. with my tweets only. The proto 75x4 will be running the 8 4s 2 per channel at 2 ohm, 50rms each as I seen it was suggested earlier for running the full setup, which doesn't incorporate my eclipse amp at all and I want to run it... simply because I want to. To Alton, Loud is all im worried about right now and most of the time... loud to the local people IS good.. they don't understand an audible difference like that. I go through a LOT of gear per year. Over 750 refs this year alone on caraudio.com, 95% of my posts are in classifieds. My old setup consisted of sundown amps, 24 dc lvl 2 15s, 48 selenium ST350 supertweeters and 24 selenium 6" mids. I haven't had a just plain loud system to take to local carshows in a while, I missed people's "wow" factor around here when my system gets compared to the local uninformed's kickers or jls in a prefab'd box running 8 gauge wire to 4kw amps.

Those would be overboard for this setup. It's not going to sound "good" regardless, so he just needs to keep things from breaking. Oh believe me I know, but he's already stated that he just wants to hear answers about what he wants to hear and not listen to any good recommendations to what he should be doing, so I gave him an answer. I know I may sound like a dick to some in that statement, but it's true, we're all really here trying to help. it didn't help, not to be rude.. but it didn't answer what I was asking either. I wanted advice on how i could make it work.. not other options which is about all i've gotten. It sounded dickish to me.. but that's only if it mattered, it adds nothing to the thread so.. it doesn't.

that's what the FMOD's do, they are RCA hookup that don't allow anything below/above certain frequencies toward the speakers on the amp, I was going to get the high pass 3500hz ones for my eclipse amp, the 4 channel sundown I just received today.. once I get the rest of the gear in i'll take clear pictures of everything and come back to the thread.. I know how to run active, i've just never done it and wanted to know how to make the eclipse amp work for just my tweets but it' seems i've answered myself with the FMODs idea I planned to originally go with.

Not with the power I have or the size I'm wanting. I'm staying with what I picked. Just wanting help and advice on hooking it all up

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1. Was going with all dayton, watched a ton of videos of people on youtube using them in their audio systems and seen a few competing in FCBC using them ( the 4" ) in theirs with success, I just added tweets alone where they had coaxials and such doing their highs. The range of extended mids and tweets as far as i've seen should be fine. 2. I'm placing them above the box in a baffle facing forward, I am not to caring for direction and such, i'm just going for loud everything. 3. not sure as it hasn't arrived yet( assuming you mean the 75x4 ) - I got it from LoudWhat? The guy has probably owned more sundown than any other person out there and afaik is very well known when referring to sundown. He had it in his family vehicle though when I purchased it. 4. No Clue if it does or not.. it came with the vehicle, I listed the model number so it could be looked up by someone that knows this sort of stuff. As I said, always had shop setup everything I installed, this was my first attempt at doing it myself.