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I've burped a square 30hz wave as previously stated. Didn't even get warm. That was over the drivers rms also. 3 30 sec burps back to back just so I could read the score of each. You have HDC's right? Those are known for being underrated and having high inductance (steep impedance rise). Was it clamped?

He's supposed to post pictures of things that haven't happened yet? once hes able to not right now lol you must be a SMD member too bringing your gay attitude here lol Lawl. You cannot be serious.

You know...pretty soon that's not going to be a valid crutch.... Haha I'm kidding. Looks like a ton of fun. Hopefully I'll make out to a big show one in my lifetime

He's supposed to post pictures of things that haven't happened yet?

Haha its cool. I just don't like people telling half the story, especially when it doesn't help in any way. I don't mean to start more trouble but all they'll tell you is that your experiences don't matter because you don't understand them. I always thought that was funny. But I'm just as tired of arguing as I am seeing "clipping does nothing." All I was trying to do is give the guy both sides of the story so he could make an educated decision based on his experiences just like you and I can. Y'know, give him the info and let him go from there on his own. EDIT I agree, but see what I posted above. When you say "clipping does not blow subwoofers" and nothing else...it implies something totally different from what you're explaining. If he had said "clipping only increases average power, it doesn't blow subwoofers" I would not have replied at all. I agree that there's lots of misconceptions floating around in this thread but I was just trying to put the info out there.

When can we expect to see these on the X and Z series subs? I don't think I saw where that was said but I might've missed it. I cannot give a specific date just yet. Depends on how tooling goes, if any tweaks need to be made, etc, etc. I will also need all new voice coils with taller formers. So does that mean a major change will be made to the current Z series? (I know the X isn't out yet.)

When can we expect to see these on the X and Z series subs? I don't think I saw where that was said but I might've missed it.

You can spend a whole bunch of money designing a woofer and it might still suck. I'm not saying that off the shelf subs are great but it's not a cardinal sin of car audio to own and enjoy a tried and true sub with a different label on it. Same goes for amps. If it works, lasts, and it fits my budget then what exactly is wrong with it?

Ingenuity at it's finest. Every concept in a Sundown product is very well thought out and performs just as well. ...Ilikesundownstuff lol

I remember reading somewhere where Nick (Of Fi Audio) explained that not only does clipping cause an increase in power but also limits the sub's ability to cool itself because of the movement of the sub mimics that of a square wave (it sits and collects heat, then slams in reverse and sits and collects heat) instead of a sine wave (where it would slow down at the peaks and valleys and always be moving). Of course the speaker itself can't go from rest -> peak-> valley instantly so it does cool, but not as much as it would normally. *take all of this information with a grain of salt as I am working from pure memory and don't fully understand all the concepts here. But I think I have a basic understand of what's going on. 95honda did tests, I just gotta find the thread. There is lag in the suspension and it will not sit for aslong as you think. Doesn't just stop-start like a machine. I think we remember the same thread. There were also concerns with the drivers that he used because iirc they didn't rely on excursion for cooling as much as the high power subs we use. I understand the suspension lag issue also, I was just pointing out what Nick said.

I remember reading somewhere where Nick (Of Fi Audio) explained that not only does clipping cause an increase in power but also limits the sub's ability to cool itself because of the movement of the sub mimics that of a square wave (it sits and collects heat, then slams in reverse and sits and collects heat) instead of a sine wave (where it would slow down at the peaks and valleys and always be moving). Of course the speaker itself can't go from rest -> peak-> valley instantly so it does cool, but not as much as it would normally. *take all of this information with a grain of salt as I am working from pure memory and don't fully understand all the concepts here. But I think I have a basic understand of what's going on.

That's a half truth. Sorry. I could never agree with that no matter what. Clipping/Distortion (whatever you wanna call it) can cause an amplifier to make much more power than it would normally. That's like saying texting doesn't cause car wrecks. Your cell phone can't drive a car...but..you get it. If A leads to B and B leads to C...then A had something to do with C. Will clipping always cause a speaker to blow? Absolutely not, but that doesn't mean that its something you can ignore. I'm not calling you out, but when you say something like that you should explain your reasoning otherwise people could take what you say literally and that wouldn't help them at all.

Lol I don't even own a PRS 8xx and I knew that! *waits for him to come back amazed with the change*

And what exactly is wrong with that? Never, not once, have I considered not buying a product because it is made in China. What is your point? Chinese built products are inferior? Let me ask you this. Does SSA design their own product? Or do they pay somebody to do it then slap an SSA sticker on it? Made in USA or not I like to buy from audio manufacturers that design, test and revise their own products. Thisssssss. There are American-built woofers that suck ass and Chinese woofers that are awesome. America =/= better. And as a side note, I originally ordered from a company (not going to name which one) who builds their subs in the U.S. to order. They were out of stock of a certain part so I ordered my Sundown SA-12 and it shipped the next day. That is a definite advantage IMO. Sure you loose the ability to customize things, but having my product in 3 days is a plus no matter what product it is (not knocking SSA in any way though). EDIT: Please remember people...the companies who have well thought out products that perform equally as well do so by their own hand. Not just randomly because of what country they make their stuff in. I'm absolutely positive that there is some China in everybody's car that they enjoy on a daily basis.

Damn...

Dcons look so good in those pics. Almost makes me wanna cop some for a temporary setup....

This...sealed to ported is like holyshitfuckwhathappened!?!? Can you port the Xcon before you decide to switch out subs?

That truck is SLICK... If I were you, I'd probably add another 15in Q since you like the way it sounds. But I understand the Itch to try something new.

*is crazy jealous* Keep doin what you're doin.

Why thank you. The steering wheel flex is kinda lame on the camera though. It moves much more in person. The window flexing in and out turned out nice though lol

My SA-12's showing off why I tuned so low. I figured I'd take vids of this setup since I'm about to tear it all out.

Hmmm...Well I had my heart set on 3 15" GCON's, but I don't know if I'll be able to afford it (need some suspension work done as well as a few cosmetic issues to deal with) so I might end up going with Obsidian 15's depending on how much the GCON's are. As for the rest of the build I'm shooting for two sets of HAT Imagines for the fronts (one in the doors and kicks) and a couple of batts that'll help me run 3k til I can afford a HO Alt.

Ah...so very bittersweet...

Well damn, how many amps does he need? Say the DCON 15's take 500 each (which is well over the 300 rating) then that'd be...2000wrms...lol

What's the news on these? I really want to get this summer rebuild going....