SubSam

I always wanted twin BTL twelves, perfect sleeper system. "what's that fi garbage bro? haha I got two BOSS 12's that will beat those!"Then feed them 5k to the dome Perfect sleeper system you say These are N2s, had every other version besides N3. They are all good at pounding the lows

I've had AA Mayhems, and SSA Xcons. Both are the definition of solid. Those would do just fine for you. I've been wanting to get my hands on zcons, the ts parameters seem too good to be true. Those are viable options in that category

Oddly this isn't the first time i've heard this *zing* j/k lol Haha well played sir

I'm dying for some more info too. And praying for a 12"!!!

It's a sad fugn day.

Yea as soon as I hear 6th order I cringe bc I have no idea the knowledge base of the guy who built it. But i won't assume its poorly designed/built. By that assumption you should stick to what sounds good, as the slightest change in a 6th order can have devastating results

^^^ some nice guys on here pointing you in a good direction. I'm glad I'm not the only one willing to CAD up a free design to a fellow basshead. As far as your question goes, with more cone area you will get louder but sacrifice space. If you get more cone area and end up with a total Vas about the same as you started with then you will get louder without losing space. In order to do so you must either go down in woofer size (like 6 8" ers) or stiffer cones (like going from one SSD 12 to two N3 12s). But you should try and maximize ur current setup first. Then try an upgrade after. You may already have what ur lookin for.

You CAN build the box inside the trunk... I was planning on going with three N212s in six cubes from the trunk but there's no BtLs anymore looks like I gotta find a motor on **** and build one myself (again lol)

I'm sorry (dunno why I'm apologizing) but I'm with M5 on this one. SQ is not objective first off, and its judged by ppl who KNOW what SQ sounds like. Im sorry but youre looking for the wrong things. I personally guarantee you (and most of you others) that you don't know what SQ sounds like and would never ever ever ever be willing to sacrifice a bigass expensive woofer like a Q12 for that purpose if you knew. X10 maybe. For any amount of real power, BL all the way. TS specs muddy under thermal duress anyways. Not that most wouldn't be equally happy with one or the other, or could even tell the difference lol. Now I've owned a triple stack Q15 for daily and a plug mag Q12 also for daily. I had SPL BL 12s for SPL (duh) and a BL 15 for bassrace. I now run two BtL N2 12s for daily and bassrace. That's post army, I ran rockford Hx2s and TRFs mostly from 96 and on, with some random JLs and kickers and Soundstream mixed in. I've installed every brand of woofer except DLS and Ground Zero, in most configurations and sizes. With any brand, individual model, size, and power class, you can just as easily have a good result as a bad one, if you are a half-assed type of person. Chances are you couldn't guess the brand of any subwoofer if you were to only hear it playing, so how different can they really be? Obviously there's variability in construction quality, so it makes sense to choose consistent brands like Fi/SSA. Somebody even said you really don't know until you hear it, which is true for 99.9% of car audio. But its up to you to DESIGN the system correctly around the equipment and the space available, budget, etc. If you don't know how to DESIGN a system, you ask stupid questions like "which plays lower?". You can get a 5" midrange to play 5Hz (probably not audibly, but you didn't specify that did you?) its not up to the speaker. When I had a Q15 I had it tuned to like 29Hz in an explorer, and it played plenty low, and loud over almost all frequencies. I did a Q12 sealed in 2 cubes in my wifes jeep and hated the lack of low end produced by the loading direction of the sub. Ported the enclosure and tuned it high, like 36, and i still play down to 25 easy because it loads much better now. My current setup with two BtL 12s plays the loudest on the lows out of all the setups, even with a trunk wall, because my sedan has a long cabin that I take full advantage of. Point I'm making is you have to have goals set and prudent planning to make a great system. Brand names are an after thought. If its going to sound good It's because it was designed properly. End of story. You know what i look for in a woofer? Low Vas. That's what gets me excited. More room for ports baby.

I waited 63 days with a 15" hole staring at me in my rearview for my N2 after I placed my order. It's worth the wait.

I hear they're selling them for $99 for a 12 with free shipping! I wish.

If you are doubling amplification without increasing your electrical support you might end up with terrible issues, but provided you have the batteries to back up the amps then you really can't have too much power. You can always turn the gains down, but cranking the gains up to full clipping on too little amplification is what most beginners do. Headroom is very nice to have in case you want to show off a little. Those subs can take some abuse for short periods of time. LMAO Exactly why I said what I said. To run two 2.5kbdcp amps you need some rock solid electrical. You probably have weak electrical right now. If you just beef it up you will get more power out of your amps and more beat from your woofers. One 2.5k should be plenty for two 12s.

You ain't never popping that cherry. Seen a pair take 8k for two years off a cactus 12k and they're still virgin tight.

Send me one and I'll do some testing for you

I did a lot of burps with two SPL BL 12s, they really can take anything mechanically. Took me forever to find a buyer tho. Ended up selling them individually to other SPL guys, but i kinda wish I hadn't. They were a lot of fun to play around with. But two 18" BLs is no joke. I know the SP4s are a hot ticket right now but you won't be too shabby with the BLs either. Keep us updated!

Doesn't the port look hella crooked in that prefab picture? I thought it was a rear-loaded horn tuned really high for a second, and they call it a "labyrinth port" so i figured it was not a standard vent. But its just a slot port l-o-fuckin-l. I could build a better box with bondo and bird poop. I don't want to post the website names for SSAs sake but there's plenty of better box sites out there if you insist on buying instead of building.

That way, I have 0 voltage loss, more power. That's awesome. Totally unnecessary on AC power but I still like it. Can't hurt right? I run two runs 4 ga pos/neg to each of my two 12s, so i too dabble with unnecessary. I didn't want those rolls of 4 ga anymore anyways so i used it as sub wire in my car and through my walls for my HT IB3s Far as CCA/OFC, it doesn't matter at "low" AC voltages. Just be consistent. And 14-10 ga is more than sufficient if you don't want to spend extra on unnecessary wire thickness.

They bleep out car audio classifieds? It's non-profit! Lmfao

My buddy has been on the paleo diet for a few years so he's all into his omega-3 fatty acids hence the grass fed beef n fancy potatoes. I didn't actually know that corn fed beef had like 60% more omega 6s but i guess I don't care either lol. But he was coming over for that meal so I kinda had to cater to him. He brought the potatoes I think he got them from a farmers market close by... We cooked the filets only to an internal temperature of 160. I like it bleeding salmon was overcooked tho. Did a foil pouch on the grill and forgot about it while trolling **** lol

Grass fed Filet and salmon with Japanese sweet potatoes... Thanks for the dinner inspiration lol

It's been my experience as a public educator that people can, and do indeed, fail harder. Indeed, holy fuck. I think I'm eating surf and turf for dinner tonight now... Now if you're really running a saz3500 and you want a 1 ohm load grab two BLs with dual 1 ohm (or dual 4 ohm but its D1 rite?) to achieve the correct impedance. This woofer HAS TO BE PORTED so be sure to get a good box built. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART! a good enclosure leads to good sound. If you don't have proper electrical support, don't even bother running high powered amps or you will burn them up

And did you ultimately fiddle with the mass/compliance? Or I guess I should ask is the qts, Vas, and fs listed above before or after any potential changes or is that the final product?

Very interesting... Why the alloy former? Al just seems like such a logical/practical choice you must have some supreme motivation... Hella curious now

Nick is off spying on Tantric trying to figure out how they got a 160.2 dB from the trunk

i love the videos thats a mean setup right there. I know its a BHE design but can you share the volumes/tuning im hella curious. I never got to try the triple slug BtLs I got the ufo style after my Q15, now I have N2s. I think I might go for a 4th order with some 15s, slightly different loading wall configuration but overall pretty similar anyway im jealous as hell over here. nice work on that window