josh99ta

I'm in on my vacation in shock as well. Nick, I only know a little of what you've devoted to make SI what it is. I can only imagine how much hard work has gone on behind the scenes. I am truly sorry to hear this and I hope the bastards who did this get caught and punished. You're one of the good guys and in no way deserve this. I'll keep you in my thoughts and hope for the best man. You know how to get in contact with me if you need anything. I'm right here man.

Really? Seems to lack in patience and thats something I have little patience for. Maybe some prozac or ridilin is in need here? Congrats on the purchase Twisted. If you're going from a "little" 12 with low power to a Magnum with alot of power, I think you're going to be in for a pleasant surprise. Be sure to let us know how you like it when you get it in and have some time to listen to it.

The man has a strong point. I change my vote. Remove one from the four 8s and put it on the two 8s/one 12 vote. The Magnum is the flagship and is the history of the company. It should be in the car, and it's performance most certainly earns it a spot.

Four 8s, without question.

I've heard a handful of 8s and the SI8s are IMO the best value there is out there. Hopefully I can get my hands on one to hear in my own install to really pick it apart, but from what I've heard so far (which was about 10-15 minutes of listening on a few different types of very demanding material) the SI8 is tonally amazing. There is only one other 8 I've heard that I prefer over this thing, and that 8 isn't very practical so I'm not really considering it in this comparison. The SI8 wont be the loudest 8 out there I dont believe (few more 8s with a bit more displacement), but it gets more than loud enough to hold its own and tonally its beats out just about every other 8" I've heard. Hopefully when they hit production I can get ahold of one and do a full review on it. Money is tight right now so it might be a while, but there will be a review coming, because I will get my hands on one.

8W7 still gets it by a large margin IMO. No 8" sub I've ever heard can compare to the 8W7, and the other subs that do compare are highly revered as amazing sounding subs (Brahma 12, Magnum 12). The ED 8s are no doubt nice, much nicer than most everything on the market, and are also no doubt the better value. The only subs I think that beat the ED8s in value and tonality are the new SI8s (just a better sounding sub for less money, although ED might have the SI in output). Not taking anything away from ED like I said earlier though. The 8W7 is just so far ahead of any other 8 out there that I've dealt with it's ridiculous. It's certainly not practical though (price, box size), but with value and practicality aside, and only performance in mind, the 8W7 is unmatched by any other 8 I've ever dealt with. Output-wise though, the Big8 can handle more power, so in a ported application I think the Big8 might get the 8W7 by a little, but if both were sealed the 8W7 would probably edge it out (not a very fair comparison though since as I understand it, the Big8 needs to be ported).

That 137.2 was with a single RE8 sealed with 200w on the old Linear X (still one of the tightest mics out there, but that particular one was still about 1.5 dB high on the sensor), so on the TermLab I maybe would have gotten a 135 or so. With the 8W7 I dont think 135 on the sensor would be bad, and I think 136-137 is possible.

Supposedly the sensor is about 1.5 dB down from the very tight Linear X I used to get metered on, and I turned a 137.2 with a single RE8 sealed with 200w on it on the X, and the 8W7 is a great deal louder than that RE8 was (might have gotten close to 140 dB on the X). I think I could bust 135 dB on the sensor with the 8W7 (sealed 0.90 cubes, 300w) in the Trans Am, maybe even a 136 or 137 with MECA style metering (mic in passenger's kick).

I know how it goes. I'm a bit biased to after hearing the 8W7. Can't think of another sub I'd rather own that this little monster. Not taking anything away from the ED units or any other 8s or other subs for that matter that I've played with. The 8W7 didn't just get my praise though, it earned it. Hell of a sub.

Dont be discouraged Damian. Nothing a little plasma cutter and some welding equipment cant take care of. B)

[in my best Shaft voice] Ya daaaaamn right [/in my best Shaft voice]

I know you're a guy who likes your 8s, and that you've metered against an 8W7 before, but if you've never tried one in your install, I'd try to pick one up if you could just to play with. I've played with alot of 8s (RE8, TB8, E8A, and a few other less notable ones) and I thought the 8W7 might be around E8A level, but it far exceeded my expectations. There is definantly a reason why I love this little sucker so much.

I bow to your superb game. Please, tell us your secret?

It actually doesn't look bad in person. The black ring is barely noticable, and like you said it does make it pop a little, while blending in too. I kinda like it as well. But I couldn't cover them both. The way it mounts is weird. The cup drops in from the front, and a metal bracket that holds the cup in tight mounts from the back, and there is a screw under the tweeter than screws them together, so you have to have the tweeter out to mount the cup securely so I couldn't wrap them both at the same time. If I wrapped them seperately, there wouldn't be enough room to get the tweeters in the mounting cups, so the only option to match it is paint it the color of the factory stuff, and I'd rather just leave it black. Call me lazy I suppose.