Angelboy863

While your comparison was generally useless for the conclusions you were trying to draw from it (that a 400w amp sounds like a 1kw amp), you're actually not very far off from the truth. Which is that it takes very dramatic increases in power to make any really significant differences in output. As you can figure out from the formula stephan posted earlier, if you double the power output increases by a maximum of 3db. So even if we assume zero power compression, the difference in output between 500w and 1kw would be audible but not substantially so. If we factor in some amount of power compression, the difference could be anywhere from still audible to not audible at all. So it's entirely possible to save money, buy a 500w amp instead of a 1kw and end up just as happy with minimal audible difference in output. Right on lol. Because I have a system because I like listening to music in my car, upgraded. I'm not into competitions trying to get big numbers or anything. If musically I can get away with a 400w amp that'll sound almost the same as a 1000w, I will. Saves me money. Thank you I learned something today.

Yes

We had the 125.2 bridged at 4 ohms and the 1000d @ one ohm

Lol yeah I was thinking "clamped" was clipped signal for some reason. So I can still be on the cheaper end and get less of a powerful amp and get almost the same output as the powerful amp, in this situation with the variables we tested. The gain in db from more powerful amps is mostly for competition right? As in, that'll be why they do it.

.. Wait lol

Great info guys thank you! Sad thing is it may be clamped power because he has stock electrical and 4guage power and ground and we didn't use a dmm. Lol the look on friend's face when his saz1000 had pretty much same output as the sax125.2. In my situation I have a 2 door coupe and sub, box and port are in the trunk facing the rear. I wanted an sa12 because I'd power it with the saz1000 that I purchased (never received I'm going to backout of that buy) but now I'd be satisfied with an e12 and sax125.2 or 100.2. At first I was sure the audible difference would more than double but since it wouldn't be THAT much of a difference, I'd rather spend the extra cash on a good front stage. Not to mention my electrical probably wouldn't like that 1000 watts. I figured because the wattage is more than double (400 watts to 1000 watts) it would be way louder as well. But we did some more experimenting and put a Sony 250 watt monoblock to the t1 at 2 ohms getting the full "250" watts and it was noticeably not as loud. But that could vary with the amps correct? The Sony amp is almost 10 years old. My friends concluded that Sony just sucks compared to Sundown which could be true.

It really sucks. I wanted this deal to run smoothly. But of course it has to go the opposite way. How could a person know he has a sale to take care of and completely ignore his buyer? He's not attempting to get this done. I've already paid him but he's obviously not interested in the deal. What a guy. Hasn't been online since 05/26 which was the day after I filed a PayPal dispute. So now I filed a PayPal claim. Let's see if he responds tomorrow. But writing this out is like my comforter so sorry I seem like a little wuss lol.

Ok I just made the dispute a claim. Just waiting on his response and PayPal. I swear if he responds the claim immediately I'll be mad lol.

So it isn't usual for this to occur? Well I know it isnt usual, but acceptable? I'm trying to be as patient as possible because I really want that amp but nothing but negative so far. Actually, nothing so far.

It sucks not hearing from the guy.. Not a very good salesman if you ask me.

I commend your patience, don't think I'd of waited this long. Thank you. It seems like its a long time but really it's only been a week lol. Just long intervals of actual communication though..

True. I don't even know if he has or not. I remember on his original for sale thread he said he needed money because he has a baby on the way. Maybe the baby was finally delivered and that's why he hasn't been on lately. He used to be on everyday when we were pm'ing each other about the amp. Ugh patience is a virtue lol

Haven't heard from him since Saturday. I don't think he shipped it yesterday. Hopefully he ships it out today!

That is his racing number. He lives here in PA. Oh thank you lol.

Sounds like it will be a great setup! Where from the 863 are you from? I'm in Lakeland.

Welcome buddy! I'm from Florida as well. Watch out for those thunderstorms tonight!

Thats what im saying..so i asked him if he can ship it today and he didnt reply..

he finally responded to me today, and yesterday i filed a paypal dispute.. he says he will ship the amp out monday. i said sure, so hopefully everything will work out. thank you everyone for your help. pray this will turn out positive!

Wow. This guy has not responded to me at all. I understand people can be too busy with personal things but for me, time is essential so I'd rather get my money back and continue shopping..

Thanks man. Hopefully this will work out.. Still no contact but it's only 7:21am

Thanks. We will see what happens tomorrow. And if he doesn't respond tomorrow, what must I do to file a claim?

Yes my bank account matches up. He just hasn't signed on to **** since Saturday and I paid him Monday. I hope he decides to sign on tomorrow. And I hope he didn't already take the money.

When I think about it that email could be from the first time I tried to pay him because it didn't work, but I checked my bank account and the money is in fact gone. Is he supposed to accept the money in order to get my money and is there a way I can see that? He has literally just vanished from communication all of a sudden. I'm just so eager to use the amp. Off topic but tomorrow is my last day of high school. CLASS OF 2012 BABY!!!!!

so i just emailed him, and um, paypal sent me an email yesterday that there is a "problem with your bank account" Dear Angel Thepvong, To confirm your bank account, we tried to make 2 deposits into your Mid Florida X-XXXX account on May 19, 2012. The money was returned, however, because your bank does not recognize this bank account number. To fix this problem: Contact your bank to double-check the account number Log in to PayPal and click Link bank account. Enter your bank account number and follow the instructions. Thanks, PayPal and yet, on my transactions the payment status says completed is this, some kind of internet trickery lol.

Thanks everyone. No we have not exchanged numbers or emails (shame on me) well besides our paypal emails. Im about to actually email him. I dont know how to check if he received the money? Our communication was very clear before he disappeared lol. Im just praying to God he wont rip me off. Its a sundown saz1000 that im paying for. It was $200 shipped