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  1. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    I understand, I was completely unaware that Vs threads were not allowed. I just get pissed off when someone just tries to be a smart A.. responding with questions to a question or sarcastic answers. Look, if I ask do you think (X) sub handle 500w at 20hz in free air for 1 second the answers should be "I dont think so", "Probably Not", "Ive had this sub for longer than a second without issues" ; "Not recomended" Answers shouldnt be "Why would you want to do that?" , "If you wanna do that buy (X) brand". It just sounds like politics instead of opinions. Anyways, thanks for all the feedback bottom line it was somewhat helpful. I will probably be using a Subsonic filter to minimize any probability of damage since I do like to play Bass mekanik songs and other bass heavy songs while testing the system once installed. If I have any other questions regarding the subs I'll just leave out the Vs. part and focus on a single brand. BTW, whatever the case may be, I'll try to post pics of the install.
  2. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    I've allways been very cautious on how I treat my subs, the only subs I have abused are those ment for it. I've had a lot of different setups and have never blown, broken or burnt a single one. I allways do take my subs near their limits so that I know up to what point they can handle the power. After being away from the hobbie for a couple of years I expected to find simple minded comments here but most of it has been people trying to prove their superior knowledge and disprove mine.
  3. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    Thanks for the only straight forward no BS in the middle answer.
  4. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    The harrison labs sound like a good option to avoid those frequencies. I'm just gonna ignore the whole other "Know it all" part of the answer.
  5. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    I agree; thats precisely why I want to know this sub limits. You're asking a loaded question though. Whether or not the sub can take 20hz at full power depends completely and totally on the enclosure design. Every driver has a rated xmax and aside from testing the only way to see that you don't exceed it at a given frequency is to model it. Keep in mind that EVERY change you make to an enclosure alignment compromises something else it does. Making an enclosure that allows full power handling at 20hz would likely kill it's response on the upper bass frequencies, or kill power handling at those frequencies, or simply hinder the output capabilities. The next question is why the hell are you worried about what it can do at 20hz? Unless you're using it for home theater you'll never REALLY have a need to play it that low in the first place. Music, even edited music, just doesn't go that low. On top of that you're modeling the enclosure as being tuned at 35hz per your original post. No matter what sub you choose it's going to unload below that and get destroyed in a big hurry. The reason I am asking is directly related to the fact that I will be tuning the enclosure at 35hz, so at 20hz it will be practically free air however I wont have a subsonic filter to avoid damage on low frequencies so if a certain song happens to have a 20hz tone at some point I dont want to worry about any damage to the speaker. The sub will have 1000w rms; and Ive had other subs in the past that handled more than 1000w rms on free air without bottoming out. I just want to see if someone has pushed this sub to those limits.
  6. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    I agree; thats precisely why I want to know this sub limits.
  7. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    Im probably going with the ICON 10 mostly because of mounting depth. In the designs there isnt that much difference in output or frequency response except for the x10 between all the options, but the box wont have that much depth so the x10 or IDMAX or w7 wont fit in it. I was remembering when I bought two dd 9512 I did have to wait over a month to get it so I'll just hang on and start on the box while I wait for it. I was comparing the ICON to the RE SX10 and after looking closely there is one obvious difference that screams cheap from the RE and thats the coil leads. Not woven into the spider just hanging there to create distortion and eventually brake. Another question, Has anyone bottomed out the ICON 10 under very low frequencies ~20hz at full power? Is there enough clearance in the motor to handle the excursion at near free air frequencies?
  8. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    wow, I was tempted to buy the ICON 10" untill i saw 21+ days to build the product. Anyone had experience with orders and how long it actually took to arrive?
  9. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    Young skywalker you make judgements very incorrectly. The Iphone is manufactured not by a Chinese company but by Apple in China. There is a huge difference between owning a plant and controlling your own quality and farming out labor. HUGE. And yes, I've been in both sorts of plants. One makes me want to puke, the other almost feels like it is here.You should highly discern where things are manufactured.Of course, this doesn't actually address the biggest difference either. Most Chinese manufactured things in this domain are parts bin specials. Low volume manufacturing does NOT allow for design, but only slapping together off the shelf components that aren't optimized for anything. When things are manufactured here and designed here that isn't usually the case. Of course you can have the same, but when a manufacturer actually employs engineering you can end up with a product that will do what it was designed to do, versus a product that does what it is slapped together to do.I understand your point, although not all companies just glue parts together in china, some design in the states and build in china. Same example applies, Apple. Apple doesnt own any manufacturing plant in china, it just works with Foxconn that does own manufacturing plants. About the part about cutting my mids at 140, I dont see the problem why a sub cant play 100hz, have you noticed how bose subs play mid bass and not a lot of people are bothered by it. Im really leaning towards the single 10" setup but there are quite a lot of options to choose from, I do want to have a good amount of low end thats why I was going with the x10, ive also considered the dd 2510, IDMAX, JL W7, Alpine type X but budget wise the x10 seems like a better option, sound quality wise it would probably go down to IDMAX and W7
  10. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    I don't discriminate between products manufactured overseas over in USA. Because its manufactured in china doesn't mean it was designed in china and it will a lesser quality product, a good example, Iphones. Getting back to the discussion, I cant really see why the ICON 10 would cost so much when the RE audio SX10 is practically the same thing and the SX10 can be found way cheaper. I am also considering the option of using a IDMAX 10 V.4
  11. sabydady

    1 X10 Vs 2 SA-8 V.2 on 1000w RMS

    I have modeled the x10 vs the ICON under recomended specs and the only thing I can see the ICON do better is be louder on frequencies above 100hz. Usually I cut my highs at 140hz 12db/octave so I dont know if I will notice a "dead" spot between 100-140hz, I can allways equalize to get a better response on those frequencies. Quality wise which subwoofer would you consider better? I also see that you have left out the two SA-8 v2. Although I dont get better low end from the 8" I do get a smoother response.
  12. Hi, I am debating on which of these two setups to use, im going for either 1 10 or 2 8 and its down to the x10 vs 2 sa8-v2. Both setups would be with 1000w rms. The two sa-8 v2 would be on 1.2 cf net enclosure tuned to 35hz and the x10 would be on the recomended enclosure. I am looking for an overall good and loud set up that works for all types of music, From Salsa to Hip Hop. Let me know what you all think. Thanks in advance
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