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[rubenen]

I was interested as well about Skar's amps, but a similar thread like this came up on ****.

I feel that some of the knowledge or expertise can get lost once you dont come with your own input / strategy that can make that product stand out.
But on the other hand, if the price is the strategy then there is another alternative to the ones already out there.

I've just got the fuzz with RD, Diablo in mind. Not being able to back up their customers once shit hits the fan.
Especially when you don't have any clue about the amps you are selling besides the heatsink.

Edited by rubenen, 29 October 2011 - 12:25 PM.

[pmureika]

Look identical to a AQ750 board except for the board colors and the phase switch.

[phi]

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

x2. There has to be a selling point for someone to want to buy these instead of the others out there.

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's supposed to make me want to buy these amps?

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's obvious, but what are the positives?

whamo.

[sefugi]

[pmureika]

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

x2. There has to be a selling point for someone to want to buy these instead of the others out there.

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's supposed to make me want to buy these amps?

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's obvious, but what are the positives?

whamo.

Price?

[Julian]

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

x2. There has to be a selling point for someone to want to buy these instead of the others out there.

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's supposed to make me want to buy these amps?

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's obvious, but what are the positives?

whamo.

Price?

Real good.

[Impious]

All comes back to my first question. Had it been answered the thread wouldn't have spiraled. Everyone really just wants to know what differentiates these from the rest. If I owned the company it'd be the first thing i'd want to share.

I think I know the difference... Kevin is the owner.

That's obvious, but what are the positives?

Pa-zing.

LMAO.

[Impious]

Not that I would call any of those listed brands as High End Class D amplifiers but to each its own.

fixed

Well, actually he never stated those brands as high end, but as SPL.

But what I don't understand, why is everybody nitpicking every little detail about comparing and not actually asking questions about the amps?

Everybody automatically wants to compare but doesn't even know enough about amps to do it.

He stated that they are comparable to other "high end class D amps" (for efficiency).

Then when he expanded on his explanation he said they would compare to the other SPL amps on the market.

It would therefore be reasonable to assume that he considers the two as being one-in-the-same. If not, then which one would he consider them comparable to? Which explanation was wrong? Because he gave both explanations to answer the same question.

FWIW, Kevin was the one who brought up the comparisons. When someone asked about the efficiency his response was:

Yes - they are in line with the other high end class D amps currently on the market

So I guess the better question is why does he rely on trying to compare them to other products on the market (which he has done twice in this thread) rather than explaining the efficiency and benefits of his own amplifier. Apparently part of his sales plan relies on trying to establish what they "compare to" rather than actually explaining the features and benefits of his amplifiers themselves.

Anyways.....I'm mainly here to patiently await his response to M5's question.

[slim142]

I LOL with some of these posts haha

[Impious]

Seeing these are protos, details are limited until full tested.

In one of his first responses to this thread he stated:

That board design is pretty much final - yes

He should therefore have all of the performance and design information needed to make a production decision. Which means he has the information to provide answers to the questions which have been asked in this thread. He's just choosing to "compare" them to other amps rather than answer the questions about his amps.

[rubenen]

I gotta give my thoughts to this as well. But I guess it also explains how much Skar knows abouts amps. Even if much is made overseas, it doesn't hurt that you have some kind of insight or experience in designing amplifiers. Especially when a statement about others products are drawn into comparison to your own, but not really replied.

On the other hand, many consumers aren't raising the bar on what products / quality we want. As soon as people see a gut shot & some power output tests, then hey its immediately a great product.
What happened with damping factor, slew rate, thd, S/N? Well, I guess it is on us being excited over a picture with nearly nothing to back it up.

Edited by rubenen, 29 October 2011 - 03:13 PM.

[Kevin S]

Seeing these are protos, details are limited until full tested.

In one of his first responses to this thread he stated:

That board design is pretty much final - yes

He should therefore have all of the performance and design information needed to make a production decision. Which means he has the information to provide answers to the questions which have been asked in this thread. He's just choosing to "compare" them to other amps rather than answer the questions about his amps.

Will be posting the spec sheet on these shortly, have not been on here - on a side note, I could name 7-10 brands right now that many people on here are familiar with that have ABSOLUTELY no hand in the design of their boards/amps. I was merely saying earlier that these amplifiers will be similar to others out there in the Class D SPL market. Our main concern with our amplifier line is highly reliable, powerful amplifiers that are available at a reasonable price.

[rubenen]

Kevin all respect to you wanting to provide the market with an alternative to what's out there. This is of course pure business. But on the other hand, you are the "new kid on the block".
So what's up with the "I can name 7-10 companies that don't know anything about their amps" reply.
Maybe those companies have earned their respect somehow being themselves, going to shows promoting their product, supporting their customers beyond good pricing and short mail reply time, investing money in pcb designs, so the buildhouse now are able to slack their business ethics and now can sell to every Tom, Dick & Jerry.

Fair enough you want to make a quick buck, but on the other hand I don't understand, why revealing others business are driven will promote yours?
Judging by this thread, Skar is introducing an amp line which basically is slap a badge on a heatsink, but instead of recognizing it as that and let the consumers be happy with a good product at a good price, you draw the attention to that this is the same as XYZ famous brands & you can tell about 7-10 of those brands that don't have any part of the design in order to defend your own way of making a buck.

Even if a product is identical on the parts used, it is not comparable beyond that. In cases from for instance Atomic / DC / PG you buy a well established brand with all the affenities & recognition that comes with it. In your case you buy a good product at a good price, but it is not a recognized brand as of now (in amp business yet).

Hell, my iPhone is probably copied and marketed under various names with the same parts on the inside, but a different shell. But that don't mean that those "copy" companies will promote their product as the same high end without some kind of strategy to back it up besides a pic of the components used and a test of for instance the lifetime of the battery.

Again I guess it is us the consumers (highly affected by the economy) that aren't the same as before. Now we are willing to accept nearly any product, even crap as long as it is cheap. Go figure.

Guess that is why most of the engineering & design went abroad.

[Kevin S]

My comment was made in regards to the overwhelming amount of people on here stating we are just simply taking a standard board and slapping our name to make a quick buck on it which is not the case. It was not a dis to any other amp company out there. We worked diligently with our engineers in the build house to make sure we could get a Class D reliable amplifier at a reasonable price. I would be surprised to see the MOSFETs used on our PCB on any "Standard" or "PreFab" Board many on here are suggestion these are.

Anyways, let's keep this on topic. This thread was simply created to show some pics of our new amp line. When we release the line we think that you guys will be quite happy with how they perform, etc.

[///M5]

Perhaps to gett it back on topic you could answer my question. Your ignoring it is what is causing this to derail.