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Feel better kitty.

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Fuck that. Die kitty!

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OK, so I have a gun thing going again. I am a CCW but I already have my daily carry. I bought a new M&P40 Shield (no thumb safety) 2 weeks ago to fill that need. I leave my M&P9 Shield at home now. I like the 40 better. I have an IWB and an on the hip holster  But I want to grab a 1911.

 

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I like Kimber, and I have narrowed it down to the Ultra Carry 2, or the Pro Carry 2. Both are 45ACP, both have many of the same offerings. Both are 7+1 single stacks, both have match stainless steel barrels, steel slides, bull barrels to absorb recoil and aid in balance, 4-5# pulls, etc. The real difference is barrel length and the frame materials. The frame on the Pro Carry is a hardened aluminum alloy to save weight (tested with over 20,000 cycles to maintain nominal wear) while the Ultra Carry is a stainless steel frame for heft. The Pro has a 4 inch barrel, while the Ultra is a 3 inch. Aside from barrel (and obviously overall) length, they are the same height and width. I like the bigger sight radius on the Pro, but like the small stature of the ultra.

 

I expect this pistol to be more of an in the woods carry, as a backup, and a paper puncher/home defense pistol. Primary carry will be on a hip holster, but I am considering a shoulder carry for this if I so opt to CC with it. The handle is just too big for an IWB, and I am not certain I am comfortable with carrying cocked and locked pointing at my nuts. Carrying a 1911 with one in the pipe and the hammer down (resting on the round) is not safe, and I will not risk having to rack a round in a situation, as it takes too much time. Plus, I don't want the holster wear that accompanies a daily carry on such a pretty piece.

 

Initial thought is, the Pro suits my needs better. Better sight radius is awesome for accuracy, as is the longer barrel. It is still small enough to allow for a shoulder carry.

 

Any input is awesome.

 

Either is a sold performer, one just has a size advantage for concealed carry. 

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I just realized I've had my AR over a year and have yet to shoot it.  Guess I should sell it.

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I just realized I've had my AR over a year and have yet to shoot it.  Guess I should sell it.

 

Never!

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Sorry about your cat dude :(

 

I'm glad I am out as well.  Walked by both of the places.  Had a beer not terribly far away waiting for dinner.  This was the no effort I am not even going to stand up shot of that view:

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Cat is sick.

Cat is gone.

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Bummer. Sorry dude.

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If you buy a 1911 I always recommend the largest you can.

Full frame, full slide, full grip, etc.

The 1911 is perfection to me. Every one that has been shortened one way or another usually has problems unless a real master had his hands on it. I don't know much about kimber as I have only had the chance to use a few of them. They had some really horrible issues for a while so I stayed away.

Springfield is my go to.

I can carry a full frame with an 8 round mag no problem. I am an ogre though.

 

Yeah, I have several friends who own Kimbers and I have never heard of a problem from them. In fact, I have never heard of an actual owner of one complain about it. I did some research (because I have heard of the issues as well) and found that most complaints were keyboard commandos who never even shot a Kimber who were relaying something they read on the internet. If Marine special ops, and LAPD SIS use them, I am fine with it. I will have a local smith go through it and polish it up and run a couple tweaks on it.

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I just realized I've had my AR over a year and have yet to shoot it.  Guess I should sell it.

 

A guy I work with got one in trade a few months ago. It has a Mil spec 7 twist barrel He always comes out to my house to shoot, so I have had the opportunity to shoot it quite a bit. It's just not my thing. I have owned an AK, and that was really not my thing either. I am really more into a bolt rifle, I love long range utilitarian accuracy. For home defense I have shotguns and pistols. I really don't have a need that semi-auto/Tactical can fill.

 

The AR looks cool, as far as tactical goes, and it really is kind of fun to shoot. It's low recoil makes shooting it for a long time easy, and it makes requisition of the target easy. It feels more like a good rifle than an AK, but the AK has a lot more ass. You know someone is going to die at the end of an AK, where the mild AR seems less deadly. Also, I don't find the AR to be really accurate. That kills the gun for me. I like to shoot sub-moa, and I know the AR isn't built for that, but I am too competitive for that.

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I updated my Paris thread with hack pictures.  No more food :(

 

Was at Guy Savoy's last week and fucking forgot completely to take pictures there.  One of the best meals I've ever had in my life too, wtf!!

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I just realized I've had my AR over a year and have yet to shoot it.  Guess I should sell it.

 

A guy I work with got one in trade a few months ago. It has a Mil spec 7 twist barrel He always comes out to my house to shoot, so I have had the opportunity to shoot it quite a bit. It's just not my thing. I have owned an AK, and that was really not my thing either. I am really more into a bolt rifle, I love long range utilitarian accuracy. For home defense I have shotguns and pistols. I really don't have a need that semi-auto/Tactical can fill.

 

The AR looks cool, as far as tactical goes, and it really is kind of fun to shoot. It's low recoil makes shooting it for a long time easy, and it makes requisition of the target easy. It feels more like a good rifle than an AK, but the AK has a lot more ass. You know someone is going to die at the end of an AK, where the mild AR seems less deadly. Also, I don't find the AR to be really accurate. That kills the gun for me. I like to shoot sub-moa, and I know the AR isn't built for that, but I am too competitive for that.

 

 

Keep in mind the .223 and 5.56 are designed to wound during war. The reason being is if you wound one it takes two others to care for the one. For civilians they are just a toy that you can customize and plink with.

 

If you want killing power the AR10 (.308) is what you should be looking at, but the down side is the cost and ammo prices.

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Pictures are awesome Sean. :)

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If you buy a 1911 I always recommend the largest you can.

Full frame, full slide, full grip, etc.

The 1911 is perfection to me. Every one that has been shortened one way or another usually has problems unless a real master had his hands on it. I don't know much about kimber as I have only had the chance to use a few of them. They had some really horrible issues for a while so I stayed away.

Springfield is my go to.

I can carry a full frame with an 8 round mag no problem. I am an ogre though.

 

Yeah, I have several friends who own Kimbers and I have never heard of a problem from them. In fact, I have never heard of an actual owner of one complain about it. I did some research (because I have heard of the issues as well) and found that most complaints were keyboard commandos who never even shot a Kimber who were relaying something they read on the internet. If Marine special ops, and LAPD SIS use them, I am fine with it. I will have a local smith go through it and polish it up and run a couple tweaks on it.

 

 

Kimber makes a proven 1911 platform compact to full size. I have shot almost every thing they currently make and like. Just keep in mind they are a lighter and tighter tolerance built gun than say a springfield mil spec 1911, so with the lighter advantage you will have more wrist snap in a .45.

 

Seth as far as polishing it up you can do that or get a box of full lead tip ammo and go shoot it in. 

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One more gun nerd thing for all who care, if you are looking for a 1911 platform, I have shot about every brand you can buy and have yet to shoot one that I felt was junk. I am sure there are some out there, but have yet to shoot one.

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I am going to surprise my daughter with a glock 42 this year for Christmas.  

 

Very nice small frame .380 if any one is interested.

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I just realized I've had my AR over a year and have yet to shoot it. Guess I should sell it.

A guy I work with got one in trade a few months ago. It has a Mil spec 7 twist barrel He always comes out to my house to shoot, so I have had the opportunity to shoot it quite a bit. It's just not my thing. I have owned an AK, and that was really not my thing either. I am really more into a bolt rifle, I love long range utilitarian accuracy. For home defense I have shotguns and pistols. I really don't have a need that semi-auto/Tactical can fill.

The AR looks cool, as far as tactical goes, and it really is kind of fun to shoot. It's low recoil makes shooting it for a long time easy, and it makes requisition of the target easy. It feels more like a good rifle than an AK, but the AK has a lot more ass. You know someone is going to die at the end of an AK, where the mild AR seems less deadly. Also, I don't find the AR to be really accurate. That kills the gun for me. I like to shoot sub-moa, and I know the AR isn't built for that, but I am too competitive for that.

As an auto gun becomes more accurate you will usually have a fall in acuracy.

Even the shorter m4 style rifles are great to 400 yards. The AK would be hard pressed to do that without some work. If an AR is really tuned it can be so close to bolt accuracy of doesn't matter. The only problem with any autoloader is the bolt cycle and return pulse. It's human problems not mechanial problems. Until you get past the AR10 sized platform the AR is easily robust enough to match most bolt rifles.

Back to the Kimber thing, it's about the tolerances. The original 1911 was made to have sloppy tolerance. Accurizing Definately reduces ruggedness. Of wasn't just keyboard warriors with issues. It was a problem of them changing ownership and management.

They made overly accurate guns that didn't get hand finished the way a specialized pistol needs to be. They massed produced low tolerance parts. The pistols for government contract were either low tolerance or not but they all got looked over by a Smith. The pistols for the market didn't.

Kimber just had more business than they could handle and had a shake up in the office. It wasn't for a huge timeframe but it was a real issue.

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One more gun nerd thing for all who care, if you are looking for a 1911 platform, I have shot about every brand you can buy and have yet to shoot one that I felt was junk. I am sure there are some out there, but have yet to shoot one.

None of the major brands are junk IMHO. Some of them have just shipped guns with too low of a tolerance without having a human give the pistol a once over.

Some of the tightest guns now machine the parts oversized and then hand fit. It's absurd level of work, but we are still at the point where a human can fit 2 parts better than a machine in this specific instance. At least in this instance.

My roommate even has a "tempermental" match grade springfield. Great gun. But not visibly more accurate until farther out than I would want to use a pistol. His has had a couple feeding and extracting issues with cheep ammo. That would happen with any tight gun.

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I think by now everyone knows my love of the 1911. It is the flaming sword that Gabriel himself blessed upon Saint John Moses Browning and then onto us mere mortals.

That said it's simply more particular than most modern pistols, and that's really true from the tighter guns. It's not abnormal to have one magazine from a great brand work and the one next to it need some tuning or it just won't feed right. Numbering your 1911 mags is a real common thing.

Recoil spring and buffer can make a pistol stumble. Once it's dialed in its the greatest pistol platform you will ever shoot.

Making them compact has also had issues for some. In fact many new companies are making their compact 1911 so far away from the original design you can't exchange parts. It increases the ergo or the reliability and for whatever reason making the standard pistol smaller just complicates the design and unless really touched by a person has a higher likelihood of having issue.

For me the tight but compact 1911 is a bit of an odd duck. It results in a pistol that can be more prone to problems so that you can carry it, but it's accurized to a point that it's incapable of shooting. Less reliability and impossible to use accuracy don't make sense.

Get a full frame and shoot it because it's the absolute greatest joy you can have in a pistol, and if you can't carry it, use a more rugged and modern design for carry.

Maybe a car analogy would work. A compact accurate 1911 For carry is like a blown LS in a Ford escape with rubberband tires on 22" rims and cool overs. 800 HP in a chassis that can't use it and to front wheels that won't be able to hook up.

Even if a master like you worked on that car it's still really bad as a daily driver and as a race car because the level of performance doesn't make sense with the chassis.

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Replaced the wheel bearing on my truck this week. Last time I was at the shop getting tires they said that O would need brakes soon. Here are my pads

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