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^^ On that note, I am an AB ho though too

I'll second Geo on the Z7000. This thing is a damn monster. Mine benched out at 1688 (I just say 1700), and still remained as efficient as the BP1200.1 at wide open throttle. This is a class AB amp, running as efficient as the class D JBL amp pumping 300 watts less. Granted, class AB and D amps get closer in efficiency the more we push them, but a decent D still should be more efficien than an AB of the same (or in this case, greater) power. I have absolutely hammered this amp with 1 ohm in enclosed amp racks with no forced ventilation and have never had a thermal issue, or a popped fuse (130 amp). This is a direct link to the closed amp rack it is in. You can see no ventilation, and I assure you there are no fans anywhere except the 1 built into the amp (I have some internal pics if you guys want to see it). And I do live in the south, mad humidity and heat. This is one of the, no, I will correct myself... the nicest high current sub amp I have ever used.

I've run my Kodas full range IB at 100 watts. They took it like a champ down to about 30Hz, but bumpin a sweep I heard them stressing some. They are currently crossed at 50Hz, 12Db/octave. Sub is run at an 18Db slope and 60Hz. This is the first time I have crossed with an overlap and varying slopes. I used to be a straight up 70-80 Hz, 24Db slope. I'm not sure if it is the strength of the mids, and their ability to get crazy low, or the transparency of the Brahma, but this is really the best sound I have found for the car. What I guess I am getting at (sometimes I get long winded :boink: ) is the slope should not really be a big concern. If they go really low, really easily, a softer slope may work better than you expect. Plus, I have found with the settings as they are now, my woofer has totally dissapeared into the install. The stage was pulled further forward overall as well. The beauty of the JL is the switchability of the unit. 2 settings for input voltage, and 2 settings for crossover slopes. The settings for voltage are obvious benefits, but the ability to play with the slope and try what I mentioned above is priceless. You never realize how something so simple as that or variable phase capability will affect the system as a whole. The Arc is nice, but the ability to do so much more with the JL and the lack of required external capacitance both make it the sure winner in this battle of the amps in my eyes.

Adire will have some "superwoofers" coming out soon that will fit in the sub-$200 range. As soon as they do, I will post the info... (I love doing this )

If I had to choose? Look in my trunk. I have heard so many drivers in my time (I am a tad older than most here, I'll bet twice as old as most) and I have the best IMHO. As stated it is loud, and totally clean. It is more transparent than any other CA sub I have heard, and lightning fast. I love the ability of the driver tto run strong with such a wide range of enclosures and power levels. It's adaptability is one of the best I have ever seen. Ported or sealed it maintains composure like nothing I have ever seen. I am an Adire dealer, but it wasn't being a dealer that sold me on their products, it was their products that sold me on being a dealer. I bought the Shiva when it was the rage just for a goof, I have never permanently (I do play with several, as beta tests or just to play though) had any other company's subs in my car since. I bought a Brahma when they first came out, and I got the first MKII (pre-production) I have heard of (the MKII is the only unit I have not paid full price for, as when I purchased all the other units, I was not a dealer). When I bought the Koda 6.1 set I realized the dedication Adire had to providing fantastic products, and that is when I became an Adire dealer... 3 years after I bought my first Adire product. The Brahma is God.

Thanks fellas. Lot's of money, time, and hard work. Jordan, I have several websites featuring the car. If you wanna see more, just let me know. I have done some work to it in the last few years. Nice Z by the way

Just stopping by to show some support for Nick and the SI guys. I'll follow Chris' (geolemon) lead I guess. Im older than the dirt (the dirt being Chris) and I have been in to audio for quite a while. I've been a member of several forums for several years now, some of you may recognize the name. I really only frequent a few forums, and most of them are in support of their owners. www.caraudiotalk.com is my home really, I am a super moderator there and I have my own support section for my sales site, www.sound-foundations.us . I am an online authorized BEtter Audio dealer (I believe I am the only one right now, but there are several reps) and Adire dealer. Maybe someday Nick will say, hey dude, why don't you sell my gear too, but maybe not . I like to think I am fairly smart. I actually deal with 12 volt electrical systems for a living. I am an AC Delco Master automotive technician with over 40 AC certifications from simple starting and charging systems to some of the most complex on car computer and information transfer systems (IP bus transfer modules) in the world. I was a professional tuner for a few years and our primary focus was on Corvettes (from the ZR1 on down) and our world remouned status was with Buick Grand Nationals. We had a NHRA SS/DX class world record setting Grand National. A V6 running in the low 8s at 170MPH. My car is a 1986 Buick Grand National that turns out 11.84 in the quarter at 119MPH. 485HP and 550Lb Ft of torque. This spring I am expecting bigger numbers as I have just done alot of work to it. In it's trunk resides a Brahma MKII (inverted, I'm a leg and butt man ) in 1.9 feet tuned to 23.5 Hz. It is powered by a class AB Cadence Z7000HC that was benched at almost 1700WRMS. I run Koda 6.1s up front through a Cadence Q3000 (soon to be replaced by a Butler Tube Driver Blue 2150), all run via a Premier DEH-P740MP.

The Z and old orange Qs are very nice. Of course, the A series are great but most already know that. I have a few customers using the ZRS series and they love them. The Z series (and I have had my hands on almost all of them) are awesome amps for an awesome price. Below rated and tough. I know a of guy that runs his Z9000 rated 4 ohm stable bridged at 1 ohm for comps and 2 ohm daily. Like I say, solid.

1986 Buick Grand National 485HP 550LbFt of torque turning 11.84@119mph in the quarter. Yes, it is a V6 My Brahma Moos Install with Brahma MKI, only the sub has changed.