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Expanding foam on the other hand sounds like a good idea. I don't mind the mess or the clean up. It will be just like bracing but cheaper and faster. I have four holes in total that I don't really need. One around each wheel well in the back and one where there would have been a second door on a four door car, behind the B-pilar. The hole is like a small cave, going up and down from what you can see, a few inches in both directions. I wonder if it will be a waste, if I add CLD tiles and then foam, or just one of the two.

Yeah, but those things you suggested as an example are flat areas that were welded before they were painted or put in the car. Bracing is going to take a lot of time, not to mention space which I would like to retain.

Got an e-mail from Don last night, he has b-stock CLD tiles.

Anyone has any CLD tiles from SSD for sale by chance? I would really like some b-stock ones, because of the price.

My best is just to go with Don's stuff it seems.

Аppreciate the info, guys. Will be reading on Wiki, Sean. So I think I have understood how a barrier works and I know what to look for now. When it comes to deadener seems like Don has one of the best product out there. The products I've posted above have very similar aspects, but I am worried how much the foil thickness will affect the performance. CLD's have 0.2mm, STP products have 0.1mm or 0.06, that's like two to three times less. But if Don has spend the time and money on research I am sure there is a reason it's that thick and it's what I should be aiming to find.

That look like a lot of fun.

This is how it looks behind the wall. Basically anything from the back seats to the taillights needs attention. I am not going to focus mainly on the back side of the car as the wall provides decent sound insulation, but it still need to be threated because of rattle and tire noise. The metal under the seats and middle console, firewall, doors, footwells and roof will be my major places to deaden.

I don't like the idea of bracing, I want to use the space.

I was looking only for a barrier to replace MLV, but I am now looking for another company's product as well, to use as vibrating dampener. I will be using both things I am looking for all over the car for complete sound deadening, combined with CCF.

I've read and re-read it, but I still down understand how to compare the tiles to similar products and decide which is superior and suits my pocket. CLD tiles have a thickness of 2mm 0.2mm of which is the foil http://stp-distribution.com/en/products/vibration-absorption/stp-silver/ This product for instance is the same thickness of 2mm but it's foils is 0.06mm. Weights 3kg per square meter.

But if the butyl is not heavy and air infested how is it going to add weight to a panel to stop if from vibrating and resonating?

Thank you, lithium. I'll read the article for sure. None of their products come close to the weight per area of MLV. Another thing I was wondering is what's the weight of Don's CLD tiles. I might use some of the vibration dampening materials these companies sell, but I don't know how they compare to the tiles.

I think there won't be any problems sourcing closed cell foam. I am trying to save on shipping cost as the material needed is quite heavy. In other words, it has to be local. Thank you for that. I might crab their vibration dampening products, but I am not sure about their sound isolation products. They marked polyethylene foam as their sound absorbent product, but I can't find it's weight anywhere. And it's has self adhesive, combine that with the word "foam" and I am not sure it's the right thing for the purpose. Another company I found was STP, but I am not convinced about their products either. http://stp-distribution.com/en/products/ They market products 10 times lighter than SSD MLV to be their noise insulation. For example : http://stp-distribution.com/en/products/sound-insulation/stp-spl/ Weight: 0.37 kg / m² MLV is 4.88 kg/ m² http://stp-distribution.com/en/products/sound-absorption/stp-vbt/ Almost 4 times thicker than MLV and more than 50% less weight. I know that air is a good sound insulation, but where else is my mistake in not believing in these products?

That's what I meant, sorry.

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What's the millage on these things?

Yeah, cause the GTR has proven to be a piece of shit.

40kg, 400hp motor from Nissan http://www.carthrottle.com/witchcraft-is-the-only-way-to-explain-nissans-incredible-400hp-1-5-litre-3-pot-engine/

One of the reasons I'm scared buying a laptop, if I ever need one. With a PC you can change whatever, whenever.

Тhe forecast is no more snow or rain for a month. I may wait a few days for the streets to dry up and give the Toyota a wash. She's so dirty.

Tried all kinds of different shit.Here's the link if it loads. http://www.mediafire.com/download/tvha8603c9n8d9n/TorresBTC.zip Otherwise the link is in Torres's signature . here's the tutorial. http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/38791-torres-box-tuning-calculator-updated-818/ Try uninstalling and re-installing, sometime's that works. I generally download them on my work computer as with most exe file's. I uninstall any programs I'm not using regularly as soon as I am done with them. Hope this help's. Tried it all. As soon as I input some numbers for the outer dimensions the gross volume gets stuck at a round number ( 1, 2, 3 cub feet etc.). That's an odd one as I don't believe there is a particular sequence to entering the value's like WinISD. What other calculators do you use?I wrote on Torres's thread with my problem. I use Windows Calculator and this site for the port: http://www.carstereo.com/help2/Articles.cfm?id=31

Tried all kinds of different shit.Here's the link if it loads. http://www.mediafire.com/download/tvha8603c9n8d9n/TorresBTC.zip Otherwise the link is in Torres's signature . here's the tutorial. http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/38791-torres-box-tuning-calculator-updated-818/ Try uninstalling and re-installing, sometime's that works. I generally download them on my work computer as with most exe file's. I uninstall any programs I'm not using regularly as soon as I am done with them. Hope this help's. Tried it all. As soon as I input some numbers for the outer dimensions the gross volume gets stuck at a round number ( 1, 2, 3 cub feet etc.).