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Good call!!! Figured out what was causing the noise. Swapped the Amp out for another Hifoincs and also used shielded RCA cables. Noise and whine are gone. Awesome.

Anyone know where I can get a new plug and wires for the Pioneer FH-P6200? Looked everywhere without any luck. Help please. Thanks. JR

ok...will redo all this afternoon. I am not using the RCA's for input but the speaker wires coming from the radio. Thanks, JR Rechecked all wires. From battery to radio to amp to speakers and back. Even installed an additional ground directly from the radio to the chassis of the car but the damn noise is still there. What a pain in da butt... Question. I did blow a fuse over the weekend by a short that I accidentally made. Could this have damaged the noise filter in anyway?? Maybe I should try an additional noise filter..what do you think??

ok...will redo all this afternoon. I am not using the RCA's for input but the speaker wires coming from the radio. Thanks, JR

I have heard where the ho alternator could be a problem but I would suggest you check your amp and headunits grounds (they me be bad). Hey Jay-cee, Wassup. How were the holidays? Hope all that is good come your way this year. The amp is connected directly to the batt and so is the radio. You suggest another ground directly to the body?. I already have the big 3 done. This is why I'm lost..

I recently installed an inexpensive amp (Pyramid 4 channel 1600w) for the 4 mids and highs but now have a noise when ever I turn up the gains of this amp. I have a noise filter on the positive lead to the radio but still have this. Can this be from the cheap amp or the Iraggi alternator? It was not there before. Any ideas??? Thanks, JR

Hi all. I am looking for a wiring diagram for the plug of a Pioneer FH-P6200. I have the plug but no wires in it. I need to know in which pin position which wire has to go. Thanks, JR

Great. I know the amps were not clipping cause the controller I used has clipping warning. This was not the case. I think there was a combination of things that caused the failure. The reason I got pissed actually was because if the system was not putting out what I assumed then the problem it self became different. Ok there are not putting out that much....et,etc, well then what the hell did the alt in??..these thoughts were crossing my mind. I think the combination of the stock pulley being on there, idling and cranking it at what ever it is putting out did it. I also did not charge the batteries to full capacity before installing them. I assumed (again) that driving the van without the system being one would charge them in a hurry with a 250 amp alternator. As soon as the new stuff arrives, I'm charging the batteries with an independent charger and then install them. In one forum I asked how many batteries did I need. All suggestions were basically as many as you can. So I guess the two Kinetik 3800 along with the two BATCAP 4000's will be wired into the regular charging system with the 350 Amp alternator. im tellin you man you dont need 6 batteries along with that 350 alt. at most three in the back and 1 under your hood. and probably need even that. youll just put more strain on your alt if you do this. Ok...The van has two batteries to begin with. I Only added the two kinetik 3800's. Lets see what happens with the 350 Amp alt and the smaller pulley.

Ok what do you suggest then? After I have all this stuff installed I'll measure the voltage at the last battery to see what happens when I crank it. But the clipping what do you suggest?

Great. I know the amps were not clipping cause the controller I used has clipping warning. This was not the case. I think there was a combination of things that caused the failure. The reason I got pissed actually was because if the system was not putting out what I assumed then the problem it self became different. Ok there are not putting out that much....et,etc, well then what the hell did the alt in??..these thoughts were crossing my mind. I think the combination of the stock pulley being on there, idling and cranking it at what ever it is putting out did it. I also did not charge the batteries to full capacity before installing them. I assumed (again) that driving the van without the system being one would charge them in a hurry with a 250 amp alternator. As soon as the new stuff arrives, I'm charging the batteries with an independent charger and then install them. In one forum I asked how many batteries did I need. All suggestions were basically as many as you can. So I guess the two Kinetik 3800 along with the two BATCAP 4000's will be wired into the regular charging system with the 350 Amp alternator.

I just want to be able to play the system at a high output for maybe a song or so with out having to worry about the alt frying. One thing.........I'll make damn sure, of is that I have the smaller pulley installed and certainly not at idle ever again. The Gaines right now are at about half since they recommended I do not play the subs at full power until they( break in?) In reality do you want to take a stab at what this system would be putting out in terms of power? 2 x Hifonics Brutus 2610D amplifiers stating to put out 2600watts RMS at 1 Ohm. Both FI 15 BTL's are wired for 1 Ohm. All zero gauge wires from batteries directly to amplifier. No power block. Ground and all other wires from alt have also been upgraded to zero gauge. You suppose if I keep these into consideration just the 1 350 amp alt would suffice? thanks, JR

Hahaha funny. So you realize I do not know how much I actually need. But your answer makes me feel safe. Thanks. What I meant with playing as loud as I want and for as long is ...being able to play it maybe one song at the really high output and not having to watch ..oh wait...I have been playing at this high level for 45 seconds so I have to stop before I fry the alt. The pulley is straight forward. I wasn't aware that the smaller pulley was changed back to the stock larger one. I have a smaller belt being FedEx'ed right now so Ican use that small pulley. Basically the new kit will have an additional tension-er as well if I choose to run the second alt. Just one last question please. Will one 350 amp Alt be enough or do I absolutely have to run both if I want to be able to play for any extend of time??? This is some good advice guys..Many thanks.

No opinions or suggestions? Hey at this point I am listening. It has gotten a little expensive so I'm open to some expert advise.

Ok Jay-cee, Let me start from the beginning. I have a 2004 Ford E-350 PSD van. The van has originally two 850 amp batteries in parallel. When my son and I installed the system, we used zero gauge wire to connect two Kinetik 3800 batteries to the original batteries. I have two FI 15 BTL's wired for one Ohm. I am using two amplifiers ( Hifonics Brutus BXI2610D) each one driving one sub. The product info states that they put out 2600 watts @ 1 Ohm. We also installed an Excessive amperage 250amp alternator. The system worked great with no problems at all. It is pretty loud for our small Island so I was happy. Leading up to the end of the alternator...... We were standing in the parking lot at the airport waiting for my wife and daughter to come back from a shopping trip to Miami and of course every once in a while we cracked the stereo and laughed at people jumping aside because of the massive bass. Went to greet the wife and daughter, got in the van and drove off. All of a sudden the alt light comes on and I can see it is not charging at all. Being on a hot tropical Island I wasn't about to turn the AC or light off so the wife would start bitching about messing with the stereo,etc,etc. Got back home after driving for about 20 minutes and the van even restarted just fine. Good thing I had the additional batteries. I spoke with Nate at Excessive for a lengthy period trying to pin point why the alt failed. (I now have a pretty good idea) The thing is I want to be able to play that thing as loud as I want for as long as I want. So.....now we are getting to what I ordered next. Spoke to Nate again and he is sending me parts to make the burned alt into a 350 amp alternator along with a new 350 amp alternator. Got in touch with friends in the States that own a Ford dealership and got him to send me a bracket kit and wiring diagram so that I can install a second alternator. To have a bigger reserve, I also spoke with Diane and Mr. Mckenzie at XSTATIC LLC who is sending me two BATCAP 4000's. I was thinking to run both 350 amp alternators and add the two Batcap 4000 to the rest of the system. I am almost afraid to ask for an opinion now but what the heck. Let me hear it.

Ok fair enough... I did get a little frustrated and am sure there are plenty of knowledgeable people here. My apologies. I just applied the theory to be sure that worst come I would at least have enough battery reserve to give when needed. I think I just asked too much of the alt for too long a period. I ordered two 350 amp alts, a bracket kit to install both. On top of this , also have two batcaps 4000 to separate them from the normal car batteries. I'll see to read up some more. thanks and have a good weekend. JR

Haha this is hilarious, we have no intelligence at all but you think your system puts out 10,400 or 28,800 watts. Thanks for the laugh of the year, that took the cake for the funniest shit I have heard all year long. Well good luck buddy and have fun, I doubt anybody is going to email you either. Im sorry that we ask questions to understand what could be the problem instead of jumping to conclusions like other people would and make assumptions. If you were smart you would contact the company that made the amp and talk to them about it since it failed so early. aww you beat me lol but: a round of applause to jay exactly!!!!!! more interested in trying to be somebody instead of a helpful answer. Read the rest of the posts where I corrected that you moron. I guess you had someone install your system cause experience or knowledge you seem to miss. The day you can get to two FI BTL's fully loaded you let me know....LMAO...what a peon....lol Man...I'll be showing people these posts...hahahahaha LMAO...you are so right...Thanks for the laugh....

You know what. I have not seen an answer that is any help at all. Lots of people here wondering if this or if that with only the lamest remarks I have seen in a long time. Even the most simple laws of electronics are not known here. My God, I did not have dead batteries or any other problem. The alt just quit. thought I could find some intelligent advise here instead of these stupid observations I already know. I thank you all for all your help, wish you all a good weekend but I'm going to find a forum with some more educated people...lmao want to mail me directly with some other dumb ass or stupid remarks, please do so at [email protected]

That is great. Thanks for the help.

REALLY??? so Volts(V) x current(I or amps) does not give watts? hmmmm I'm really at a loss now. As for the alt having to charge a not drained battery pack, I guess then it would not have to work so hard huh?! Wonder what the regulator in the Alt does then. Yah...I've done some research. Thanks for your help. Have a good weekend.

Ok great..did make a mistake in the math. The way the batteries are hooked is as follows. Underneath the van there are two FORD OEM 850 dry crancking amp batteries.I ran a cable up into the rear of the van right next to where the other batteries are, maybe a foot and a half away from them, I installed two Kinetik 3800 watt batteries in parallel with the first two. From the two kinetik I have zero guage running to the Amps.One amp connected to one Kinetik. When everything was running I had No diming. The system did not warn me of anything. It was all running great untill the alt just quit. There is one thing that the mechanic did change. He replaced the smaller pulley back to the stock one other wise the belt (which is not in stock on the Island) would be too large.

This is how I got my numbers. Two 2600 RMS amps = RMS/ 0.707 = Peak in this case 2600/0.707 = 3,677 watts x 2= 7,355 total watts peak. Sorry not 10400. the 28000 watts is what the batteries are supposed to have together. two kinetik 3800 watts = 7600 watts plus the two 850 amp ford batteries is 850 x 12v =10200 x 2 =20400 watts. total 28000 watts. I just want to know if I got a bad alt or if there is something else that I am doing wrong. I have no problem with a bad Alt...it happens...most impoprtant is to know what happened. thanks and have a good weekend, JR

It could have been a bad alternator as well. This is why I am asking these questions. I had installed years ago a new Ford OEM alternator and it quit within a month. So it would not surprise me one bit. It happens. No problem. I just want to identify the problem. Being on a small Island doesn't help in terms of knowledge... Thanks. JR

What I meant was that the subs are not connected together. They run of their own amps. I have the Brutus 2600 watts Rms amps. 2 brutus 2600Rms amps run off of the batteries. The way I got to the total watts is simple. I have two Kinetiks 3800 watts as stated on their website. The ford has two 850 amp batteries. 850x12v =10200 watts x 2 =20400 + the two kinetics =28000. as far as I know I x V = watts. These is what the batteries supposedly hold all together. So why all these questions about equipment instead of a helpful answer. Thanks.

Howdy, I need some help here. I have two FI 15 BTL subs. Double voice coil,heat ring,etc,etc all options on the sub and built for daily playing. I have two brutus 2600's run by a controller. the amps or subs are not wired together. I also have installed besides the two 850 cranking amp ford battereis, two Kinetik 3800 watt batteries. The altrnator is (was) a 250Amp altenator built by Excessive amperage. After a week to 10 days the alternator gave out. I mean fried. I never ran the system at full power because I am still breaking in the subs. What could have caused the alternator to fry?? or was it just a bad alternator?? Altogether the system at full power is +/- 10400 watts. If I add my batteries together I get 28000 watts so I have more then double what would actually be needed. Anyone with a big system have any advise??? Many thankis appreciate it. JR

Hey hola you too..... now let me go post my problem and see what kind of edvice I get. Gracias chicos.