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for car shows, go to the Organization's websites and look for 3x or higher point events and attend those. Any and all 3x or higher events typically have the biggest turnouts.

You mean lower, correct?

2 independent amps put out slightly more power than 2 strapped given same impedance. 2 dual 4 ohm subs. You can only wire to- 1 ohm or 4ohm logically. If wired at 1ohm, that would be either 2 ohm per amp or 0.5ohm per amp strapped. If wired for 4ohm strapped, that's 2 ohm per amp strapped or independent. If you are trying to wire each amp at 0.5ohm, get different subs if you can't ever strap them.

Equalizers DEQ-1000 Frequency Selection: 15 Bands separated by 2/3 octave (25Hz, 40Hz, 63Hz, 100Hz, 160Hz, 250Hz, 400Hz, 630Hz, 1KHz, 1.6KHz , partials close , 6.3KHz , 4KHz, 10KHz, 16KHz) Mitigation / Enhancement: up to 12dB in steps of 0.5dB Signal / Noise Ratio: >100 dB Crosstalk (separation between channels): >85dB THD: < 0.01% Frequency Response: 15Hz to 23KHz (-3dB) Maximum Level of Input Signal: 2.0V RMS Maximum Level of Output Signal: 2.0V RMS Input Impedance: 22K OHMS Output Impedance: 330 OHMS Operating Voltage: 8V to 16V DC Maximum Consumption: 400mA Dimensions (WXHXD): 7.6" x 1.7" x 4.72" Weight: 0.68lbs Additional Functions: Limiter with 6 levels of attenuation: (-3dB/ -6dB/ -9dB / -12dB / -15dB / -18dB) Filter HPF (subsonic): (Fc = 30Hz / 40Hz / 50Hz / 60Hz / 70Hz / 80Hz) with attenuation of 24dB/ 8nd Filter LPF: (Fc = 500Hz / 1KHz / of 1.5khz / 2KHz / partials close ) with attenuation of 12dB/ 8nd screen Saver with VU VU Bargraph leds with TI CLIP Price- $229 shipped Power Supplies TEF-30A Dual voltage Power Supply: automatic (127 / 220V AC) Operational range 127V: 100 to 140V AC Operational range 220V: 200 to 240V AC Rated Current max. output: 30 Amps Efficiency: 85% Consumption Maximum Current Draw 127V: 5.6 Amps Maximum Current Draw 220V: 4.0 Amps Maximum Floatation at full load (30A @ 12.6V): < 3% Input Fuse (internal): 10A, quick action Dimensions (WxHxD): 6.54" x 2.05" x 5.71" Weight: 2.36lbs Price- $229 shipped TEF-50A Dual voltage Power Supply: automatic (127 / 220V AC) Operational range 127V: 105 to 140V AC Operational range 220V: 210 to 240V AC Rated Current max. output: 50 Amps Efficiency: 85% Consumption Output Voltage (Selectable): 12.6/ 13.8v/ 14.4vDC Maximum Current Draw 127V: 8.0 Amps Maximum Current Draw 220V: 5.0 Amps Maximum Floatation at full load (50A @ 12.6V): < 3% Input Fuse (internal): 10A, quick action Dimensions (WxHxD): 10.55" x 2.83" x 6.22" Weight: 5.51lbs Price- $339 shipped TEF-100A Dual voltage Power Supply: automatic (127 / 220V AC) Operational range 127V: 105 to 140V AC Operational range 220V: 190 to 240V AC Rated Current max. output: 100 Amps Efficiency: 85% Consumption Output Voltage (Selectable): 12.6/ 13.8v/ 14.4vDC Maximum Current Draw 127V: 16.5 Amps Maximum Current Draw 220V: 12.8 Amps Maximum Floatation at full load (100A @ 12.6V): < 3% Protection Threshold against overload/ short outlet: 120A Dimensions (WxHxD): 10.55" x 2.83" x 11.42" Weight: 9.48lbs Price- $449 shipped TW Master/Slave CHARACTERISTICS OF the TRANSMITTER (TW-MASTER): Operational Range of Radio Frequency: 2.4GHz ISM band (2.404GHz to 2.476GHz) Maximum Power of RF transmission: 20.2dBm (105mW) Connectivity: Up to 4 receivers (Slave) Input Impedance: 10K ohms audio (RCA) and 1K ohms (WIRE) Maximum Level of audio input L/R (RCA): 2V RMS ( 8dBu) Frequency Response: 10Hz to 22KHz (-1dB) Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): 0.01% the 1KHz Signal/Noise Ratio: >90dB Crosstalk (separation between channels): >80dB Power supply Voltage: 10 to 16V DC Maximum Consumption: 160mA @12.6 Consumption in Stand-by: 10mA Protection: resettable thermal fuse (PPTC), internal protection against polarity reversal Dimensions (WxHxD): 3.47: x 1.18" x 4.65" Weight: 0.22lbs CHARACTERISTICS OF RECEIVER (TW-slave): Operational Range of Radio Frequency: 2.4GHz ISM band (2.404GHz to 2.476GHz) Maximum Power of RF transmission: 20.2dBm (105mW) Output Impedance: 470 ohms audio Output level of audio L/R: 2V RMS Frequency Response: 10Hz to 22KHz (-1dB) Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): 0.01% the 1KHz Signal/Noise Ratio: >90dB Crosstalk (separation between channels): >80dB Power supply Voltage: 10 to 16V DC Nominal Consumption: 100mA @12.6 Consumption in Stand-by: 40mA Protection: resettable thermal fuse (PPTC), internal protection against polarity reversal Maximum Current output from remote: 250mA Dimensions (WxHxD): 3.47" x 1.18" x 4.65" Weight: 0.22lbs Price- $179 shipped Additional Slave device- Price- $94 shipped Universal Antenna- TFM1080i The TFM 1080i Antenna has a universal application. It can be installed in any vehicle, secured by double-sided tape, developed with high performance, active circuitry that ensures clean reception, free of interference and noise. Great signal reception from AM and FM. Its design comes from meeting with the market trend, lightweight and discreet. TFM 1080i antenna universal electronic windshield printed Rod 10.25" SMD Technology amplified 8' 6" Cable from the antenna Connector in brass surface treated to eliminate oxidation Red LED Connection PLUG DIN Universal Application, can be installed in any vehicle Price- $19 shipped Voltmeters- VTR-1200 Innovative Digital Voltmeter Unique design, lightweight, transparent, functional and practical; very easy to be installed. Displaying BLUE showing the mark of innovation that TARAMPS provides to its consumers. For its connection, the connector system is detachable facilitating ease of installation. Technical Data: Voltage Range: 10.2 to 27V DC Maximum Current output remote (OUT) 650mA Maximum current Consumption: 60mA Dimensions: 4.72" X 3.47" X 1.18" Weight: 0.22lbs Price- $59 shipped For RCA Cables and T-Line High Voltage amps(115v-390vDC), contact [email protected] for custom price quote.

TS Series This line of amplifiers come in 2 or 4 channels. These amps come in 1ohm or 2ohm stability models and all ratings below are of 1ohm model. Expect slightly higher efficiency with 2ohm models. All amps in the TS line use FIXED Crossover points. Power supply range- 10v-16vDC T1300x2 Rated Measurement- 13.8v @0.45%THD 2x780w @1/2ohm 2x468w @2/4ohm / 1x1559w @2/4ohm 2x257w @4/8ohm / 1x935w @4/8ohm 1x514w @8/16ohm Frequency Range- 15Hz - 38KHz Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Efficiency- 80% Power Supply- 9vDC minimum Bass Boost HPF / LPF fixed at 100Hz Dimensions (WxHxD): 7.68" x 2.2" x 12,2" Weight: 4.87lbs Wire input adapter- Optional $20 (6awg to 1/0), not included Price- $359 shipped T1200x4 Rated Measurement- 13.8v @0.5%THD 4x360w @1/2ohm 4x237w @2/4ohm / 2x720w @2/4ohm 4x130w @4/8ohm / 2x474w @4/8ohm 2x260w @8/16ohm Frequency Range- 20Hz - 30KHz Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Efficiency- 80% Bass Boost HPF / LPF fixed at 100Hz Dimensions (WxHxD): 7.68" x 2.2" x 14.25" Weight: 6.06lbs Wire input adapter- Optional $20 (6awg to 1/0), not included Price- $399 shipped T800x4 Rated Measurement- 13.8v @0.5%THD 4x240w @1/2ohm 4x150w @2/4ohm / 2x480w @2/4ohm 4x72w @4/8ohm / 2x300w @4/8ohm 2x144w @8/16ohm Frequency Range- 20Hz - 40KHz Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Efficiency- 78% Bass Boost HPF / LPF fixed at 100Hz Dimensions (WxHxD): 7.68" x 2.2" x 12.44" Weight: 5.18lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $319 shipped T600x4 Rated Measurement- 13.8v @0.45%THD 4x180w @2ohm 4x108w @4ohm / 2x360w @4ohm 4x60w @8ohm / 2x216w @8ohm 2x120w @16ohm Frequency Range- 10Hz - 40KHz Ohm versions- 2 ohm only Efficiency- 80% HPF / LPF fixed at 100Hz Power Supply- 9vDC minimum Dimensions (WxHxD): 6.61" x 2.13" x 10.04" Weight: 3.35lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $249 shipped T400x4 Rated Measurement- 13.8v @0.05%THD 4x100w @2ohm 4x63w @4ohm / 2x200w @4ohm 2x126w @8ohm Frequency Range- 20Hz - 30KHz Ohm versions- 2 ohm only Efficiency- 80% HPF / LPF fixed at 90Hz Power Supply- 8vDC minimum Dimensions (WxHxD): 5.28" x 1.65" x 7.99" Weight: 1.96lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $179 shipped T150x2 Rated Measurement- 13.8v @0.05%THD 2x75w @2ohm 2x45w @4ohm / 1x150w @4ohm 2x25w @8ohm / 1x90w @8ohm 1x50w @16ohm Frequency Range- 18Hz - 40KHz Ohm versions- 2 ohm only Efficiency- 80% HPF / LPF fixed at 100Hz Dimensions (WxHxD): 6.54" x 2.01" x 3.62" Weight: 1.12lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $109 shipped Crossovers CRX2 Channels - 2 Subsonic Filter: Variable Bypass /20/60/80Hz (-24dB/ 8deg 4deg order Linkwitz-Riley ) Bass Boost: 0 to 10 dB (40Hz) Low Pass Filter: Variable from 100Hz to 10KHz (-12dB/ 8deg 2deg order Butterworth) High Pass Filter: Variable from 100Hz to 10KHz (-12dB/ 8deg 2deg order Butterworth) Input Impedance: 27K ohms Output Impedance: 440 ohms Maximum Input L/R: 4.57 V RMS @ 15.4 dBu Output Level L/R: 9.3 V RMS @ 21.6 dBu Max. Output of the Pass Thru L/R: 9.3 V RMS @ 21.6 dBu Frequency Response: (-1dB) of 10Hz to 100KHz Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): < 0.01% at 1KHz Crosstalk (Separation between channels): >90dB Power Supply Voltage: 10 to 16 VDC Nominal Consumption: 250mA @ 12.6 Vdc Protection: Reverse Polarity and short circuit Dimensions (WxHxD): 6.18" x 1.65" x 5.71" Weight: 1.01lbs Price- $134 shipped CRX4 Electronic Crossover 12dB/ 8nd with 4 channels LOW: With variable cut(LPF) from 45 to 275Hz and bass enhancement of 6dB ( "bass boost") adjustable from 20 to 65Hz MID-LOW: With initial cut (HPF) variable from 25Hz to 140Hz and final cutting (LPF) variable from 300Hz to 7.5KHz MID-HIGH: With initial cut (HPF) variable 200Hz to 4.6KHz and final cutting (LPF) variable of 1.2KHz to 12KHz HIGH: With variable cut (HPF) of 550Hz to 12KHz Individual level Controls for channel Track LOW and MID-LOW mono, with independent inputs Tracks HIGH AND MID-HIGH stereo, separated from inputs LOW and MID-LOW Dimensions: 7.48" x 5.71" x 1.58" (L x W x H) Weight: 1.24lbs Price- $159 shipped CRX5 Plus Quantity of channels - 4 + 1 Pass Thru Track Pass Thru (R L) Phase Selectable: 0/180 Degrees Variable Level: -infinity to 6dB Via Low (R L) Mono Subsonic Filter: Selectable (Bypass 40/60/80Hz ) (-24dB/ 8nd) butterworth Low Pass Filter: Variable from 100Hz to 2KHz (-12dB/ 8nd Linkwitz-Riley ) Bass Boost: Variable 0 to 10 dB (40Hz) Phase Selectable: 0/180 Degrees Variable Level: -infinity to 10dB Via Low Mid (R L) Mono High Pass Filter: Variable from 30Hz to 600Hz (-12dB/ 8nd Linkwitz-Riley ) Low Pass Filter: Variable from 600Hz to 10KHz (-12dB/ 8nd Linkwitz-Riley ) Phase Selectable: 0/180 Degrees Variable Level: -infinity to 10dB Track High Mid (R and L) Stereo High Pass Filter: Variable from 400Hz to 3KHz (-12dB/ 8nd Linkwitz-Riley ) Low Pass Filter: Variable from 5KHz to 20KHz (-12DB/ 8nd Linkwitz-Riley ) Phase Selectable: 0/180 Degrees Variable Level: -infinity to 10dB Track High (R and L) Stereo High Pass Filter: Variable from 2KHz to 10KHz (-12dB/ 8nd Linkwitz-Riley ) Phase Selectable: 0/180 Degrees Variable Level: -infinity to 10dB Input Impedance: 10K Ohms Output Impedance: 470 Ohms Maximum Input Level R/L: 4.57 V RMS @ ( 15.4 dBu) Maximum Level of Output R/L: 9.3 V RMS @ ( 21.6 dBu) Max Output Level of Pass Thru R/L: 9.3 V RMS @ ( 21.6 dBu) Frequency Response: (-1dB) of 10Hz to 100KHz Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): < 0.01% at 1KHz Crosstalk (separation between channels): >85dB Power Supply Voltage: 10.5 to 16 VDC Nominal Consumption: 420mA @ 12.6 Vdc Protection: Inversion of Polarity Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.37" x 1.65" x 5.71" Weight: 1.54lbs Price- $189 shipped DTX 2.4s Quantity of channels - 4 Filters: Per DSP, 24-bit/ 48KHz, (-24dB/ 8th) - 4TH order (Butterworth) VIA LOW (L/R) cut-off Frequency (HPF): 9 preset adjustments 20/25/30/35/40/45/50/55/60Hz cut-off Frequency (LPF): 19 preset adjustments 60/70/80/90/100/110/125/140/160/180/200/225/250/280/320/360/400/450/500Hz TRACK LOW MID (L/R) cut-off Frequency (HPF): 11 preset adjustments 60/70/80/90/100/110/125/140/160/180/200Hz cut-off Frequency (LPF): 25 preset adjustments 200/225/250/280/320/360/400/450/500/570/640/720/800/900/1K/1.1K/1.2K/1.4K/1.6K/1.8K/2K/2.2K/2.5K/2.8K/3.2KHz TRACK HI MID (L/R) cut-off Frequency (HPF): 21 preset adjustments 200/225/250/280/320/360/400/450/500/570/640/720/800/900/1K/1.1K/1.2K/1.4K/1.6K/1.8K/2KHz cutoff Frequency (LPF): 9 preset adjustments 5.1K/5.7K/6.4K/7.2K/8.1K/9.1K/10K/11K/12KHz VIA HIGH (L/R) cut-off Frequency (HPF): 17 preset adjustments 2K/2.2K/2.5K/2.8K/3.2K/3.6K/4K/4.5K/5.1K/5.7K/6.4K/7.2K/8.1K/9.1K/10K/11K/12KHz Input Impedance: 18K ohms Output Impedance: 470 ohms Maximum Input L/R: 4.0 V RMS @ ( 14 Dbu) Maximum Level of Output L/R: 4.0 V RMS @ ( 14 dBu) Frequency Response: 20Hz to 23KHz (-3dB) Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): < 0.01% at 1KHz Signal / Noise Ratio: >90dB Crosstalk (separation between channels): >80dB Power Supply Voltage: 10 to 16 VDC Nominal Consumption: 0.50A @ 12.6 Vdc Protection: Reverse Polarity and short circuit Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.76" x 1.65" x 5.32" Weight: 1.52lbs Additional Functions: Adjustments of phase, gain, alignment and mute Price- $229 shipped

Taramp's Official Group Buy The Group Buy will end February 16, 2014 11:59pm EST on a Sunday night. We expect all orders to come in and ship out domestically between week one and two of March. We expect all orders to be delivered to customers in the Group Buy before SBN 2014 which is March 22-23, 2014. All prices set below for immediate payment include shipping and is good for the lower 48 states. Shipping to Alaska, Hawaii, other territories of the US and all International orders are subject for custom shipping quotes which shall be done via contacting me at- [email protected] All amplifiers (unless otherwise noted) come with custom Wire inputs used to run extra or larger cables to amp to prevent unwanted voltage drop. It IS POSSIBLE that some amps may not have their inputs manufactured on time(mid March). If this happens, we will let you know and ship them out for free immediately after receiving them. We just want to let everyone know this just in case our deadline is not met. Warranty coverage is 1yr from manufactured date. We offer alternate warranty coverage that is described in this link- Warranty Services Explained And now, the pricing- HD Series Full Range SMD(Surface-Mounted Device) Technology based Class D amps. These amps range from 5Hz-10HZ - 15KHz, Power rated at 0.3-0.5% THD and have on-board subsonic, low pass and bass boost* with efficiency ranges in the 72-78% range at low ohm stability range. When placing your order, PLEASE put into text field which ohm stability version you wish to purchase! The power rating next to the amp model will be it's capability at specified ohm version. IE- 1,439w amp can be built for 1 or 2ohm rating. Certain amps may or may not have additional ohm versions but ALL versions will be listed next to each amp. Power supply range- 10.5v-16vDC HD8000 9,595w @13.8v @0.5% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" X 2.56" X 19.57" Weight: 13.47lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 - 4/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $795 shipped HD6500 7,796w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 18.82" Weight: 11.46lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $729 shipped HD5000 5,997w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 17.6" Weight: 11.44lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $659 shipped HD4000 4,798w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 14.76" Weight: 9.08lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $615 shipped HD3000 3,598w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 11.34" Weight: 6.86lbs Wire input adapter- 4awg to 1/0 terminal Price- $469 shipped HD2500 2,998w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 9.53" Weight: 5.73lbs Wire input adapter- 4awg to 1/0 terminal Price- $425 shipped HD1600 1,919w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1, 2 or 4 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 9.53" Weight: 5.52lbs Wire input adapter- 6awg to 1/0 terminal Price- $376 shipped HD1200 1,439w @13.8v @0.3% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Dimensions (WxHxD): 9.02" x 2.56" x 8.08" Weight: 4.37lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $332 shipped HD800 959w @13.8v @0.5% THD Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Frequency Range- 20Hz - 30KHz Dimensions (WxHxD): 7.68" x 2.2" x 7.91" Weight: 3.53lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $295 shipped HD400.4S All ratings are at 0.02%THD at 13.8v Ohm versions- 2 ohm only 4x100w @2Ω / 2x100w @2Ω + 1x200w @4Ω 4x60w @4Ω / 2x200w @4Ω / 2x60w @4Ω + 1x120w @8ohm 4x33w @8Ω / 2x120w @8Ω / 2x33w @8Ω + 1x66w @16ohm Frequency Range- 10Hz - 38KHz HPF / LPF Fixed @80Hz Dimensions (WxHxD): 5.94" x 2.01" x 7.99" Weight: 1.4lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $174 shipped T Series Besides the T500, this line is Taramp's extreme high output series with efficiency ranges from 71-89% at 1ohm(and at 1 or 2ohm on T500). These amps are also full range for use for bass and midbass\range as well going up to 5KHz with subsonic and low pass filter. All power ratings based on 12.6v with power supply voltage range from 10.5-15.0v. T20.2KW 20,200w @0.3%THD 23,800w @13.8v Frequency Range- 5Hz - 5KHz Ohm versions- 1 ohm only Dimensions (WxHxD) - 11.46" x 2.2" x 28.74" Weight: 31.09lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 - 4/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $1829 shipped T14.2KW 14,200w @0.3%THD 16,800w @13.8v Frequency Range- 5Hz - 5KHz Ohm versions- 1 ohm only Dimensions (WxHxD) - 11.46" x 2.2" x 28.74" Weight: 29.76lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 - 4/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $1659 shipped T10.9KW 10,900w @0.3%THD 12,890w @13.8v Frequency Range- 5Hz - 5KHz Ohm versions- 1 ohm only Dimensions (WxHxD) - 11.46" x 2.2" x 24.88" Weight: 22.71lbs Wire input adapter- Triple 1/0 - 4/0 Insert with Protective Insulation Price- $1399 shipped T500D 500w @0.5%THD 599w @13.8v Frequency Range- 20Hz - 30KHz Ohm versions- 1 or 2 ohm Bass Boost HPF / LPF fixed at 100Hz Dimensions (WxHxD) - 8.27" x 6.61" x 2.05" Weight: 2.65lbs Wire input adapter- Unavailable Price- $189 shipped

Sounds like you shouldnt so dont. There are more cons to pros for strapping and until some company starts utilizing protection features specifically for strapped applications, it's never necessary to strap amps.

I have no idea what you just said... IT looks like you said if you turn it up to 35 that 1\4 gain on amp it clips.. But if you lower the volume, it doesn't clip.. IF that's what you are saying.. then.. that's common sense but i am hoping you didn't mean that because i can't follow what you are saying.

3% is absolutely unacceptable, I'm sure your ears can pick up the difference... I was unaware people did "clamp tests" to measure the possible measure of power that can audibly be heard as a difference compared to the rating on the box. IF that were true, then clamp tests would be the best method. That means as along as the 9,600w amp can do +/- 2,000w, then it's fine. That's your implication. Seems irrational to me.

When you say you need to get them to make you some 65mm one way soft parts, that's specifically for the MMAG, correct? And... is the finish production of the MMAG going to have 2 slugs? And for me and all of us.. can you explain the difference between these- MMAG vs Trident

It appears to be one that is driven by electrical power in the form of AC converted over to mechanical energy to produce a or a range of sound in the lower portion of the human audible spectrum. That should narrow it down some.

We are going to be having a group buy this month and into next month and we have an amp that would suite your needs. It's rated to do 3,000w @13.8v, 2,500w @12.6v Normal pricing is $469 Our Group Buy pricing for this amp will be right around $400 shipped. Ship date is in early to mid March.

I don't think he got that model. The TS400x4 is the one listed on the other site.

You are getting very close! Now the only part is to understand that you cannot negatively comment on the amp's proposed poor performance from the test because it's currently impossible to tell that from the test. Especially since it was retested at 14.6v, with uncertainty, and jumped to over 10,000w. Point is.. like u said, to give a general idea. And the funny thing is, many people think, tought or believe the uncertainty tested result from test 1 is so far off from rated power that it's impossible to prove it's proper rating. Nope.. I hope everyone has learned not to trust these tests as facts especially from the drama of this particular product.

But, but, but, it didn't do rated. It has to be flawed.... I understand their view, and their concern is not legitimate in this case, in my opinion. The results may not be 100% precise, but they're accurate enough for the purpose they serve. If you require an amp test to be accurate within 10 watts for your personal use.... so be it. I don't. You're the only one name calling here... So you think it's just barely off? For one, the testing method is not consistent. Like others have stated before, it's used for TROUBLESHOOTING, not for proper power measurement. Second, did you know it was recently retested by the same person and now it's went fro 13.5 to 14.6v and gained 3,200w? Now it's over 10k clipped. People are "guessing" in that topic as to how much THD that is.. Bam- guessing.. that method of measuring power is for troubleshooting. For accurate results, testing must be consistent. The 2 tests are not consistent and not controlled due to human error and the lack of THD measurement. You can't state you obtained a certain amount of power without other factors. Tfade has not done anything wrong to defer his measurements. It's the lack of knowledge the audience has that concludes what they think they obtained from that information. The same thing goes for many SMD devices as well but don't get me started on that. So the measurements show a lack of output power.. Well.. that's not right.. Test again.. now we have massively increased power... Lack of consistency and other measurements. Tfade isn't trying to replace proper means of measuring with a low cost technique. He's basically just trying to see if the equipment holds true to it's ratings. The problem is messing with amps of this caliber is not easy because the higher the numbers go, the greater the inconsistency in his testing method. The audience should take THAT as a big potential problem that is hard to control. Even on low power, his method will net him closer to actual ratings but still not concrete enough because of a lack of tools and technique. A power rating consists of a lot more than just 1 power rating with a voltage and a THD rating and not even those 3 things have been met in sync in one test yet. Like i've said many times before, I defer to the manufacturer's testing themselves as they are more equipped for the task. The second test was to prove a point... To get the 10k that people claim out of the amp, it was clipped to hell and back. The first test was "around" but not exactly at the THD rating that the manufacturer gives. I guess we have to throw something on an amp dyno to make you guys happy.. lol So, all other tests done by anyone in this aspect was not to prove a point? Every test is to prove a point however inaccurate it might be. And nothing is making us unhappy. I personally do not care about the output results because i know because of inaccuracies, the results are pointless. That's why i do not comment on how good or bad so and so amp is. What I may comment on, like i am here, is the lack of understanding people get from the numbers. We can go about this this way too- on SMD a while back, someone dyno'ed a 5kw amp on the burst setting and it put out over 9k. Just that alone went on for weeks and weeks across forums about how awesome the amp is.. it can do 9k, etc.. In reality, that test is not to test output but headroom potential which is another debate that i am not a fan of either because the reasoning makes no sense. Then many people across the forums finally begin to understand how worthless the test is when you see how an amplifier is actually used. This is the same way.. It's going to take a while for it to dig in but once people understand that testing must be controlled on a level that is not done here, then results are for troubleshooting, not for obtaining the ratings themselves.

But, but, but, it didn't do rated. It has to be flawed.... I understand their view, and their concern is not legitimate in this case, in my opinion. The results may not be 100% precise, but they're accurate enough for the purpose they serve. If you require an amp test to be accurate within 10 watts for your personal use.... so be it. I don't. You're the only one name calling here... So you think it's just barely off? For one, the testing method is not consistent. Like others have stated before, it's used for TROUBLESHOOTING, not for proper power measurement. Second, did you know it was recently retested by the same person and now it's went fro 13.5 to 14.6v and gained 3,200w? Now it's over 10k clipped. People are "guessing" in that topic as to how much THD that is.. Bam- guessing.. that method of measuring power is for troubleshooting. For accurate results, testing must be consistent. The 2 tests are not consistent and not controlled due to human error and the lack of THD measurement. You can't state you obtained a certain amount of power without other factors. Tfade has not done anything wrong to defer his measurements. It's the lack of knowledge the audience has that concludes what they think they obtained from that information. The same thing goes for many SMD devices as well but don't get me started on that. So the measurements show a lack of output power.. Well.. that's not right.. Test again.. now we have massively increased power... Lack of consistency and other measurements. Tfade isn't trying to replace proper means of measuring with a low cost technique. He's basically just trying to see if the equipment holds true to it's ratings. The problem is messing with amps of this caliber is not easy because the higher the numbers go, the greater the inconsistency in his testing method. The audience should take THAT as a big potential problem that is hard to control. Even on low power, his method will net him closer to actual ratings but still not concrete enough because of a lack of tools and technique. A power rating consists of a lot more than just 1 power rating with a voltage and a THD rating and not even those 3 things have been met in sync in one test yet. Like i've said many times before, I defer to the manufacturer's testing themselves as they are more equipped for the task.

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16.5"? absolutely no way..

Yea, the Massive Audio Hippo subs are the "largest subs" in their classified sizes that i've ever seen. So large, that no other sub i know of can replace their cut out requirement.. and even the 15 isn't 15" or more in cut-out diameter.

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lol.. Nick? no.. It sounds like you do not know IA well enough to say that. But by you saying that.. it sounds easily like you care less what IA says in their upcoming retest just for the hell of it. So i'm done.

you are still missing the point..... You keeping siding with his testing as being accurate. Let me ask you a simple question. Why would you trust a person in this hobby who loves it as much as anyone else to perform a test on an amp, and regardless of the results, believe the results over what the manufacturer is about to present?

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But, but, but, it didn't do rated. It has to be flawed.... But but but.. the owner said he will retest because all testing prior to marketing is correct and will retest.. However once he said that.. many people started bashing the "potential" for his other products to be flawed, etc.. I only trust the owner and\or companies who do this for a living. If one person can be trusted to "fail" an amp publicly, then all companies might as well shut their businesses down because you know what they say.. The customer is always right... So professional testing must be pointless.. We don't care about getting close We, as a business community, care about doing it right. Why would a business rely on a customer's test as the official ruling of their products potential. That is the dumbest thing i've seen this year so far and that's pretty damn bad. But keep supporting the "close testing". We'll support professional test results.