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I would have gone to the dudes house after that pic

Yup, to a bad address and false info.

Go to small claims court. And do what, get a claim against a criminal? Like that would be worth the time and effort. I call it a lesson learned. The guy was so sure that he could get away with it that he posted a pic of the amp and the laptop that he was suppose to sell me and another guy with the cash that we paid him on top of them. I will try to find the pic If you dont take legal action then your part of the problem. Paypal is part of the problem also. They took no action, except to tell me that there was no funds in his account to refund me.

Go to small claims court. And do what, get a claim against a criminal? Like that would be worth the time and effort. I call it a lesson learned. The guy was so sure that he could get away with it that he posted a pic of the amp and the laptop that he was suppose to sell me and another guy with the cash that we paid him on top of them. I will try to find the pic If you dont take legal action then your part of the problem. Police wouldnt do anything, and an attorney told me I would never see my money again.

found it. He got mad cause me and the other guy went to all the car audio sites we could and gave the moderators his ip address so he could scam anyone else.

Go to small claims court. And do what, get a claim against a criminal? Like that would be worth the time and effort. I call it a lesson learned. The guy was so sure that he could get away with it that he posted a pic of the amp and the laptop that he was suppose to sell me and another guy with the cash that we paid him on top of them. I will try to find the pic

The worst part is between paypal and eBay they make just as much profit off my auctions as I did.

You think the transaction is secure till you have an issue. I lost $200 when I purchased a hifonics amp from a guy and he never sent it. Paypal said their was nothing they could do because there was no money in his paypal account.

Check, money order, western union. All are 100% unsafe with no protection. You will not be finding someone to pay you that way. Totally understand, I have been a member of paypal since 2003. I decided to try and buy and sell cell phone around christmas time to make some extra money. Well, I did about 10K worth of busniess through ebay and paypal. I refunded three people their money for various reasons (I gave a three day return policy on the listing). Now paypal has decided to hold my funds for 21 days on each transaction. I have 100% positive feedback on ebay and no unhappy customers cause I took care of all issues right away. So I am a little ticked off with paypal.

Then how would you like to be paid? Check, money order, western union.

$280 shipped, but no paypal.

Back up for sale

Deal pending

1. Product: Sundown Audio SAZ-1500D V2 2. Specs: Mucho mono power 3. Description/Condition: Refurbished by DB-R, Just got this, and Christmas wiped out my cash. Tried to make a little money off it from ebay, but those guys would know a good amp if it bit em. 4. Price: : $300 plus shipping. 5. Pictures:

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Thanks for the info

What kind of stuff do you buy from your local dealer?

Just wanted to get a feel for how many of you buy from dealers, online, direct from the factory of only buy used i.e. ebay, craigslist, ssa.com, classified. If you compete at all, I am really interested to find out where you get your stuff. 1. Local Dealer 2. Online Store 3. Factory Direct 4. Used from craigslist, ebay, ssa, etc.

Thats a good general rule going by 18"s Put up some pics of the box

Probably should tell that to car audio and electronic cause they came up with 733 driven to a reactive load

Well beyond the decimal place, your tens place is also inaccurate and by a crapton. Your "point" of testing is no more accurate than having two amps and listening to them an hour a part and picking a power level for each. For all I know your idea of "usable" is 30% distortion, hell if it is on a sub I would suspect that there are more people with their subs near 30% than near 0.07% in this world. By a landslide. As an aside, you also left frequency out of the equation. Do yourself a favor, grab anyone you don't know off a forum that lives near you and have them do the exact test you did. If it is truly a blind test the results won't even be within 25% of your numbers. Subjective or scientific. You can't have both and you chose subjective. Just don't put a number by it as it tells the internet nothing. If you want to do scientific then by all means I would love to go out of my way to support your site. The internet could use a site like that, but beware as we are just barely touching the surface of what is truly required to make it repeatable AND real. frequency was a 50hz test tone. I thought I put that in there.

You can take the for sale thread out. I have them sold a couple of times over, but I think I might hang on to them and do some more testing.

Sean is exactly correct with his comments in that thread. "Power testing" is useless if not conducted in the proper manor with the proper tools. Same reason I loathe people performing or discussing "clamp tests". Sure, you got some #'s to put in your review and on your site, but what is their usefulness or reliability? Pretty much zero. And FYI, there isn't much of anything "real world" about that test. Please don't use that as a defense. A properly conducted set of scientific measurements represent the "real world" far better and much more accurately than any random and improperly conducted test, and the information gained from the scientific testing is much more useful and relevant than in the latter. People have this ignorance based confusion that there is some large disconnect between "scientific" and "real world", and then try to use the "But I'm testing it in the real world" defense. That's utter nonsense. Interested in what you used for a consistent load as well as how you measured the current and distortion. I wonder if I should repost our discussion from the for sale thread? Sean is exactly correct with his comments in that thread. "Power testing" is useless if not conducted in the proper manor with the proper tools. Same reason I loathe people performing or discussing "clamp tests". Sure, you got some #'s to put in your review and on your site, but what is their usefulness or reliability? Pretty much zero. And FYI, there isn't much of anything "real world" about that test. Please don't use that as a defense. A properly conducted set of scientific measurements represent the "real world" far better and much more accurately than any random and improperly conducted test, and the information gained from the scientific testing is much more useful and relevant than in the latter. People have this ignorance based confusion that there is some large disconnect between "scientific" and "real world", and then try to use the "But I'm testing it in the real world" defense. That's utter nonsense. So what if I did the tests both with a distortion analyzer in to a 4 ohm dummy load and then showed those results vs what I call "real world" would that make more sense?

Interested in what you used for a consistent load as well as how you measured the current and distortion. I wonder if I should repost our discussion from the for sale thread? Could move it or merge the threads if you like. I posted this here a day before responding in your for sale thread. Yea, lets merge them. This is a good discussion, and I think others would benefit from it.