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Those look outstanding...I bet they sound as good as they look!

Hello folks. I wanted to get some opinions on 8inch midbass drivers. I'm changing up the front end in my Dodge Durango. I will be running 4 Diamond Audio M6 4inch midranges and a pair of M&K softdome tweets. They will be actively passed at 250 up at 12db per/octave. One set of mids and the tweets will reside in custom pods on the front corners of the dash(tucked in between the dashboard, A-pillar, and windshield so they can be on-axis and facing the passengers) and the second set will reside in pods on the upper front corners of the front door panels. All will be laser aligned to a center point about a foot past the front seats. The midbasses will be located in the lower section of the front doors and will be powered by the two rear channels of a Kenwood Excelon KAC-X501F (the front channels will go to the parallelled midrange pairs) giving the midbasses 75rms(if run at 4ohms) or 150 per channel(if run at 2ohms). The midbasses will be actively passed from 60-250 at 12db per/octave. The sub is a TC3K 15 running off a Kenwood Excelon KAC-X401M. I have pictures of the current install in the "build log" thread under TC3k15 install pics. So there is the system design. Help me fill in the blank of midbass choice. Some initial thoughts I had were the Kicker 04SS8s, CDT Audio carbonfiber EF8s, Dayton Audio Reference series 8s, TangBand Neo 8s. Thanks!

If all else fails there are a lot of pre-fab boxes designed for slot ported dual L7 alignments...just make sure you buy a high quality one. Might save you some money in the long run...unfortunately you won't be able to experience the fun of building it yourself. Whatever you end up doing be sure to post some pics! Good luck!

Thank you for the kind words fellow audio freaks. Also thank you for moving this thread to its proper home....guess I'm wearing that big red "Newbie" sign...sorry folks.

Is that bendable MDF or did you just cut and soak it to bend like that? Either way it looks sick so far! Can't wait to see how it turns out. Post lots more pics!

Same system with an Alpine SPX front end in my 04 Nissan Altima.

TC Sounds TC3000 15 powered by a Kenwood Excelon KAC-X401M, Diamond audio 6,4,tweet combo powered by a Kenwood Excelon KAC-X501F, Kenwood XXV-01 head unit, Kenwood Music Keg, Orbital Exide battery, 0gauge power wire and big 3 upgrade, 160 amp alternator....soon to add Alumapro CAP5 and 8inch midbass in the doors. Enjoy the pics.

My professional installation career was in its infantcy when I first heard of Audiomobile(1998). At the time I didn't know too much about audio in general, fortunately by best friend and "mentor" of sorts was a First Class MECP installer and IASCA judge so I was quickly and properly educated on matters of electronics, physics, and acoustics as they pertain to mobile electronics. Having a SatCom background from the Army and a natural fascination for car audio(I grew up in San Diego in the 80s when the car audio BOOM first hit and I was instantly addicted) this field came pretty naturally. I soon got really interested in the mechanics and physics involved in subwoofers and enclosure building. I read an article reviewing the Mass 12dvc and at the time it was being hailed as the "best" subwoofer on the market period. I had a chance to play around with one that one of our local customers bought and I(along with everyone else in my shop) was absolutely amazed. I had never heard bass that clean before. This was along the same time when Kicker first introduced its L7 subs and everyone thought they were the $hit. They had nothing on the Mass driver. It wasn't until a few years later that I had the kind of audio setup and $$ to go after my own Mass...but the company had gone under by that point. Doing some research to try to find a couple used drivers led me to several forums all with rather unflattering things to say about Matt Overpeck. I never delt with him myself but he seemed to gain himself quite a reputation. It was my search for Audiomobile info that led me to TC Sounds several years back. I don't know any "back story" about Mr Overpeck and/or Thilo other than they(together or individually) have been responsible for the best drivers I have personally ever heard. I wish I had the cash to get my hands on and LMS sytle driver(TC Sounds LMS, Audiopulse LMS Ultra, SoundSplinter RL-S, Eclipse LMT). I currently have a TC Sounds TC3000 15 and I must say it is quite a woofer. I'll post pics in another thread.

I would consider the SoundSplinter RL-P 12. It will get loud, low and clean with 1.3cubes and a little polyfil. If you get the dual 2ohm and run it in series you could use your A1200. 1200watts on a RL-P 12 tuned correctly will sound great! If you really need to keep the current to a minimum try a Kenwood excelon amp. They are inexpensive, clean and pretty efficient. If not a Kenwood fan there are a ton of amps out there that will do about 600-1k for about 3bills....MTX makes some good amps, Xtant, Alpine MRD series, Rockford 500bd is a nice amp as well...lots of choices. Personally I would keep the Art Series and keep the gain down a bit(A/B class is really clean sounding, it amplifies an actual wave-well half a wave then the other half-rather than a digital sample of the wave as with class D) and run it to an RL-P, but that's me. Good luck.

I think the main difference between TC Sounds and ED is that TC makes a VERY solid product. That's not to say their products aren't prone to the occasional design flaw(aluminum cones cracking where the cone meets the surround) however TC addressed this issues promptly and took care of thier customers. I myself had a very positive experience with TC's customer sercvice, I will spare you the details, but they took VERY good care of me. That being said they do certainly seem to have issues responding to customers in a timely fashion. I'm sure this is due to overwhelming sales/productivity, which I feel is to be expected from any company that is used to producing for manufaturers then decides to start selling to the public. This is what happened when they started selling thier products directly online...they got burried...now they're back to selling exclusively to dealers...they simply couldn't keep up. Whether it was a business miscalculation, or as someone stated "shady business tactics", who's to say. As much as I love TC products I will not be buying any Audiopulse products simply because I don't want to deal with dealer mark-up or dealer return policies. If/when I am in the market for another sub I will be looking to SoundSplinter, superb product(TC supplied I believe) and superior customer service. Mike really seems tom be "on the ball". I am curious about the 13Av.2 performance though...I have owned Audiomobile Mass drivers before and they were underhung designs and I really did dig the SQ they were capable of...I wonder if EDs underhung design follows suit.

How much space do you have to work with...how much are you willing to give up? If you have the space and the $$ a pair of SoundSplinter RL-S 15s in parallel to 1.5ohms would be very loud and very clean...However they do take a pretty large box(about 5 cubes each). But if you have the space they could give you tremendous clean output. Also using the pair in an infinite baffle setup where the truck IS the box would work really well. It would be a more difficult install so make sure the installer is up to the challenge. In my opinion they would out perform any single 18 I can think of. As stated by someone else in the forum, make sure your electrical system is up to the task. Those RF amps are beasts if you feed them right. Anyways theres my 2cents. Good luck.

The only ED products I have ever owned(and currently use) were actually Tsunami power wiring products. However, when I ordered the products(Big 3 0gauge kit, 25ft of 0gauge, 8ft of 4gauge) I was very clear that I needed the products shipped and delivered in a timely manner due to time constraints for the installation. I was assured they would be sent out within the specified timeframe. This did not happen. After waiting a few days past the "deadline" I called and inquired as to why the products I had ordered(and paid for) had not been shipped. I was told it was because they had run out of 0gauge ring terminals and were waiting for more to come in before they sent the order. I can understand this to a point, however it would have been nice to have been notified about this delay rather than being left to wonder. At that point I told them to send the order without the ring terminals(because I could get them locally) so I could get the install started. They were kind enough to comply with my request and refunded the amount of the terminals. When the products finally arrived the 4gauge was 8gauge. This really screwed up my install timeline because the two different gauge wires needed to match because the power distro was part of the amprack display in the vehickle, and the specific color/style of the 4gauge was not availible locally. I ended up using a different color 4gauge until the correct wire was delivered. It all turned out fine but it was kind of a pain in the backside. I will say that I was always able to connect directly with someone on the phone at ED and they were always very pleasant to deal with. Though not really a horror story it was clear that they were a bit disorganized.

I have 2 motor structures(magnet, back plate, pole piece), no basket, coil, cone, etc. Basically the motor with no top assembly. Thanks for the quick responses! I know they require underhung coils and I would like them built as 15s. I will have to look into your suggestions...Thanks again!

Hello everyone. I was wondering if anyone out there could help me find a manufaturer that can rebuild a subwoofer based off an Audiomobile Mass series magnet structure. It is a 3inch underhung design that was origonally built or at least designed by TC Sounds. The design was also used in the SVS Ultra(v1) home subwoofer. TC as some of you may know has been restructured and are far to busy to handle this request. I was just wondering if there are any other products/manufaturers that would be compatible. Any input is welcome. Thanks.