///M5

"Same"? If you have a different car and different mounting considerations you are in a different boat

Dangerous to plot things without understanding what will happen in car. 24Hz is WAY too low to tune and seriously self defeating in car. For what you describe for music even 30Hz will cost you output.

Iirc, lithium has some hds tweets for sale

Don't get me wrong, it isn't a bad compromise. Going to sound tits. Have you looked at tweets yet?

top^2

That isn't saying much, lol

lol, you mean mexicali

And live in a sandbox? No thanks.

Then move out of Texas

So you are willing to compromise on your first need? Hate to be the devil's advocate, but when you ask for authority that means cone area. If you are completely sure that nothing larger will fit then the compromise was made for you. Just want to make sure this is clear. You mid will be effective, but needs more cone area and less bandwidth if authority is truly needed.

Didn't say you had to buy the amp now, but you have to decide if you are going to in the future. One other option for you. Buy an amp now and do the deadening on your current speakers. It will be a HUGE sound improvement potentially even more of a difference than replacing your drivers with ones that need power when you don't have it and it will prepare you for the day when you have the dough to buy the drivers.

Simply, yes.

If you are doing a 2 way with anarchy, I'd just use a tweeter with it. No reason to use a full range driver to mix with something that can play that high. The reason for the confusion is that you started out asking for midbass and a driver that truly excels at midbass will usually fall on its face above 300Hz. The anarchy isn't that way, but it also isnt' a beast of a midbass. As good as pretty much the other 7's, but cone area is huge in particular when running IB. An 8 will be a big improvement but cause you the need to have something on the top end that will play lower. If you are truly set on that as a midbass/midrange, then I'd just add a large format tweeter up top call it a 2 way and be done. Impious is right on the array in a lot of regards, but its just another compromise. I've heard a very successful array of 2" full rangers and thought about it myself for a particular application that was tough to get to, but in your case that won't help so much with output. Of course the array HAS to be vertical AND on axis for it to work at all. Moving to 2" help a bit moving the frequency concern region a 1khz higher. IMO, I really like the full range idea; however, I don't think its for you. Benefits of it are, voicing from a near point source for the great majority of the music, superb sweet spot for ONE person, ease of installation and crossover setup, less drivers to have anomalies to deal with, and it still lets you use a monster midbass that doesn't play high. You will suffer overall output levels as it is the classic tradeoff between bandwidth and output, you really can't have both. Initially in your thread it sounded to me like focusing on the midbass was ideal and the only way around this without 3way+ is to do a full range. As for the kicks question, I'll take it one step further as well. IMO if you run passive and 3 way the ONLY way to do it successfully is in the kicks. In general for passives it is a much better idea, but there are exceptions just not with 3 ways. So definitely the only detriment in your install if you go that route is it takes a bit more clever work in aiming and processing to get your stage height up. Even if you didn't do this work you may still find some features of an install in the kicks beneficial as stage height is a secondary factor in sounding good to many people, myself included. Sure I'd prefer it high, but not at the expense of frequency response etc.

Some headers can lead to issues on some vehicles. I have seen this happen a couple times. Once a set kept burning up an O2 sensor, the next would cause unburned fuel to puddle in the collector and eventually drip into the cat clogging it over tim. Interesting. Obviously something strange with how the computer reacted.

Shouldn't matter

How about an array of 2's going up the pillar? Hmmmmm I hadn't considered that. The main goal her is decently loud, clear music. Mainly rock, metal, and some hip hop. J Then the 4" comp set is a huge fail... Then PLEASE guide me in the right direction. I am not opposed to cutting or glassing (rather having someone glass) the door panels. J Space, goals, blah, blah, blah. And I'd be glad to help Right now I am slightly brain dead so figuring space is gonna be a pain, but the door is approx. 50" front to back, 25" tall, and 5" deep at its widest point (its a bow shaped outer door) If my math is right (which it more than likely is not) LxWxD/12 (go from in to ft)= cubic feet so 520 ft cubed. I know this seems off. God help me its been forever since I have used this basic math. The doors will receive a treatment of sound deadener as will the floor, and the firewall. How and what substance I am still un-decided on. The goals will be to have loud clear music. The primary music to be played includes but not limited to Atmosphere, Pink Floyd, Pantera, Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Six Feet Under, and a lot of 80's hair metal (motley crue, warrent, etc). I am not a SQ junkie by any standards, but I do know what muddy music, popping speakers, and flat ranges of the sound spectrum sound like. The 'amping' idea may end up happening depending on how my progress changes. J Your pillars are super slanted which is going to make an array tough. Doors are super off axis and far back which making staging difficult. Loud and full range aren't coincident. I realize that is a lot of can'ts and not really so many can's. That being said when all else fails keep it simple. A large format tweet up in the pillars and a mid-woofer that can play both reasonably low and high could be the ticket. I would also encourage drivers without major anomalies for ease of processing. The Seas ER18 screams to mind. I think Lithium has some HDS tweeters for sale as well that would mate nearly perfect with them. Obviously more cone area on the mid will net you better midbass response, but at the cost of midrange. Keeping it only a 2 way will simplify your work and I am not sure I can visualize how a tweet/mid or array will fit in your pillars. It has been over 10 years since I've been in an F-body though. Oh, btw, divide by 1728 next time (12*12*12) Would some pictures of the interior from my stand point help? Or measurements? I'll get whatever info I need, I just want better than I have now. How expensive are the mids and tweets you suggested? J Pics with a 3" disk up in the pillar for size reference would for sure.

Sealed isn't necessary...but before we go further I suggest being more than pretty sure. As a benchmark see if you can fit the Peerless SLS 8" as bang for the buck its pretty much a winner. Generically speaking it is "better" to have your midrange & tweeter up high, but as with any rule of thumb or generalization there are plenty of situations where this doesn't hold true. Of course another method for getting more output from a 3" driver is to cross it higher. I realize in your installation due to the midbass this wasn't possible without a larger gap, but just stating the clarification for the thread. If you run a tweeter and have the space there are some really nice 4" drivers.

How about your kicks?

Indeed space and mounting considerations always determine the drivers IMO.

M5, this is untrue. Product Development, fulfilling orders, etc has been taking up all of my time right now. There will be information coming, it's just been crazy! It is true. You can't have it one way and not the other. If it was important to you you'd get it done, instead you CHOSE to do something else. Perhaps that something else is more important, but either way you made a priority and that is how it is. I don't let any of my employees EVER use time as an excuse because it isn't valid. Priority is.

ROFL. You aren't planning on it, but you'll need to do it. At least for the first couple months. As for the question regarding deadening, constraining is better than just adding mass. Even better is to build them so they don't need extra constraints. Way more headunits available for 2 way. Curious on your space. Having 3's stacked on top of each other gets to be a rather big "box" up in your pillar. Sure you have room for that?

Oh, one other comment. I've read complaints of 360's being noisy but not recently. Of course I ruled them off my list a few years back so just something to maybe double check. Either way I personally prefer the control in a h/u which is going to limit you to the Ural CDD, Clarion 9255, Pioneer P9, or an Alpine unit with the H701 proc.

How about an array of 2's going up the pillar? Hmmmmm I hadn't considered that. The main goal her is decently loud, clear music. Mainly rock, metal, and some hip hop. J Then the 4" comp set is a huge fail... Then PLEASE guide me in the right direction. I am not opposed to cutting or glassing (rather having someone glass) the door panels. J Space, goals, blah, blah, blah. And I'd be glad to help Right now I am slightly brain dead so figuring space is gonna be a pain, but the door is approx. 50" front to back, 25" tall, and 5" deep at its widest point (its a bow shaped outer door) If my math is right (which it more than likely is not) LxWxD/12 (go from in to ft)= cubic feet so 520 ft cubed. I know this seems off. God help me its been forever since I have used this basic math. The doors will receive a treatment of sound deadener as will the floor, and the firewall. How and what substance I am still un-decided on. The goals will be to have loud clear music. The primary music to be played includes but not limited to Atmosphere, Pink Floyd, Pantera, Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Six Feet Under, and a lot of 80's hair metal (motley crue, warrent, etc). I am not a SQ junkie by any standards, but I do know what muddy music, popping speakers, and flat ranges of the sound spectrum sound like. The 'amping' idea may end up happening depending on how my progress changes. J Your pillars are super slanted which is going to make an array tough. Doors are super off axis and far back which making staging difficult. Loud and full range aren't coincident. I realize that is a lot of can'ts and not really so many can's. That being said when all else fails keep it simple. A large format tweet up in the pillars and a mid-woofer that can play both reasonably low and high could be the ticket. I would also encourage drivers without major anomalies for ease of processing. The Seas ER18 screams to mind. I think Lithium has some HDS tweeters for sale as well that would mate nearly perfect with them. Obviously more cone area on the mid will net you better midbass response, but at the cost of midrange. Keeping it only a 2 way will simplify your work and I am not sure I can visualize how a tweet/mid or array will fit in your pillars. It has been over 10 years since I've been in an F-body though. Oh, btw, divide by 1728 next time (12*12*12)

Can't be sold out, there are plenty in the lake

And I agree completely, the C block in the one I buy will go up for sale pronto.