///M5

<-- doesn't know what you mean by floating, but the part that is connected to your sternum are the spares

SO SORRY IN ADVANCE FOR THE THREADJACK... I have absolutely no idea. Seriously, I don't. Back between 12/22/2007 and 6/15/2008, SSA was vying to become HAT's sole on-line retailer. We communicated back and forth several times about terms of this agreement, including a stocking opening order, pricing, and etc. The SSA admin stated "we want to be the #1 Hybrid Internet dealer as we are with a number of other non-mainstream brands...in addition, as we try to expand our competition team, Hybrid would be the mid and tweet of choice..." On 6/15/2008, I replied with the revised 2008 internet dealer terms and got no further response. In regards to becoming a dealer, there has been no communication since then (as far as I can tell with my Outlook files). Late in 2008, there was some sort of a falling out with a few of the Team SSA guys (competitors). These guys came over to Team Hybrids. I sent a PM expressing my concern to the admins of this site, and the hope for a continued relationship. I wrote: “Sorry to hear about the team SSA guys disbanding...it wasn't my intent to "steal" competitors away.” The admin responded that they were all cool with HAT, but were just upset with these three guys only (as noted in a bit of sarcasm). I'm not much for soap operas, and assumed that things were fine between HAT and SSA. Concurrently in this same time frame, we had an official Hybrid Audio Technologies forum here to answer questions about the product. The bulletin board went live on 01/25/2008. One day in March 2009 the forum was gone. On 03/22/2009, I sent an e-mail to the administration why the board was gone (expecting to hear that there was a hack, or a BB malfunction). The same day, the SSA admin replied “I will get back to you shortly on this, I have just been slammed this weekend just don't want you to think I am ignoring you.” Weeks passed. I queried again, and again. No reply, and no new future correspondence. It became clear that the forum had been deleted. To this day, I still have no idea why. Fast forward a few months to mid-2009. Apparently one of these competitors that left SSA did something completely dumbass (not at my guidance and without my knowledge) and signed back up here and began answering HAT questions. Not cool. It was clear we weren't welcomed here anymore, and in fact, the three competitors that left SSA and joined Team Hybrids were all BANNED from this site. Pretty clear statement if you ask me. It was childish to come back here and sign back up. But it was also childish to BAN them in the first place for doing nothing more than changing competition teams (well, that's my opinion anyway). Now, within the past week, I have gotten three complaints from customers from this site, indicating that there's a fair bit of bad-mouthing going on from SSA administration and one key member. If we couldn't come to an agreement on the terms of SSA becoming an internet retailer, and the amicable move of three competitors away from SSA to Team Hybrids, then I am sorry. I will grant you that the move by one former Team SSA member to sign back up and answer questions was undoubtedly STUPID (I just found out about this last week, when I was discussing the recent trend on this forum – he apologized to me for apparently being the catalyst for the recent childish behavior on this forum). Nonetheless, the onus of the problem falls squarely within the confines of this forum. As someone suggested, I don’t send people to this forum to defend HAT products. I don’t need to, and don’t desire to. Don't give yourselves too much credit. This fella dkh came on his own free-will and was one of the three that alerted me to the turn-coat bashing of HAT products here. You must agree that this has been handled POORLY from the get-go. Not telling me why the forum was deleted was in very bad taste, and now the product bashing...I don't know what to think. Sixteen months ago, HAT was the brand of choice for SSA, and you guys were falling over yourselves to represent it, and now suddenly it isn't as good as $30.00/pair midranges? Seriously? Since the unexplained demise of the relationship with SSA, and the deletion of my forum, have you seen me bash the SSA product? No. Have I not recommended it? No. Do I say stupid things like “the SSA sub is not as good as the Parts Express subwoofer for $30?” You know its better, and I know its better. What's gong on here is in VERY POOR TASTE. I implore you to leave this post in tact, and not delete it or modify it, and not ban me, because it’s all the God’s-honest truth. If you have an axe to grind, BE A MAN and talk to me about it personally. I can be reached at 770.888.8200. I'll await your phone call. Scott Just as a clarification. I am the member that the three people complained about. Never once did I say your products were bad or even bad mouth them, just their value and that in the price range you ask for your drivers I would buy something else. Amusingly no one ever asked if I even liked them, they just got made when I stated that the OP of the threads in question should use their budget differently. I'd also like to clarify that I am not privy to the exchange that occurred between SSA and the members that moved to Team Hybrid and personally don't care to be. It wasn't between me and while I am still here that doesn't mean I automatically take sides. This is really funny that you come on and post as again it was some misinformed noobs pushing your product in an application where it doesn't really fit. That I have an issue with and always will. A quick read of the topics will make this readily obvious to you. It will also show you that the people that were promoting them have very little background and knowledge but are good at regurgitating pieces of conversations that they have read, but obviously not understood. Your reaction is perhaps logical considering the source, but I will tell you for sure that you, your company, nor your products had anything to do with the reaction. It would have been the same had they said they were going to use some Accuton mids, Seas Lotus midbasses and AirCirc tweets. If their whole budget is consumed by the drivers, they are unable to do real installation themselves, and leave no budget for integrating those drivers it would be stupid to buy them. Instead then, yes a $30 driver in a great installation would be a better choice. Hell one of the three members that joined you (and the one who did the install) will be glad to really outline that and I know you'd agree as well. Nice of you to come on and plop your phone number down, but it was unnecessary in this case. No beef with your drivers at all, just weren't right for the application. P.S. I quoted your post to doubly prove that no one will remove it, that sort of thing doesn't happen here. If it did, I'd leave. Overmoderation can stay at ICIX and DIYMA.

CCF is ONLY good for stopping two rubbing surfaces from rattling. Have you read the link in my sig?

Can you fit a 4" up on the dash? My guess is no, although there are a ton of 3" drivers that can do as much as you need as well. Exactly why knowing your mounting locations will help before recommending drivers. How much space and fabrication are you willing to put into your dash is the first question I'd address.

Baltic Birch VOID free or Trupan Light....but your check book won't like you.

You should have a fully working sub. He shipped it wrong, his fault. Sucks to be in that situation, but you were given a promise and he should keep it. I would say if he asks you to compromise and for a good reason, I'd be nice to him...but that shouldn't be the case.

Unless you get extreme with your seat lift you only have room for 2 10's sealed or 1 12 ported. If you are concerned about SQ, the sub isn't the spot where you should be concerned. Having a front stage that can even keep up with a single 12 isn't trivial.

Tree included? That is the ONE thing that is a requirement for me. While I am not COMPLETLY comercialized, that is my Christmas vice. Oh an PM me if you want NFL on your net Sean. J J, that'd be sweet. Game is over I wanted to watch but maybe next week.

Nice looking, but not babies. Spare ribs are a better deal anyway. Yes, babies they arent. They are so big they dont look like it huh? Now after eating them, I know to use a little less kick next time. But the honey does the trick to balance it out. Im so full! No literally not babies, those are spare ribs. The rib "tip" meat gives them away. The other "half" of the rib would be babies. Never understood why there was a price difference between them. And when I have slaughtered pigs I leave them together. 10" pork rib bones ftw! Well Costco is ripping me off and Im going blind too because the package said baby back ribs. And $30 for one package of three slabs, it better be baby backs! The main difference between baby backs and spares is that the baby backs have less meat.

Fiberglassed in pillars....I should take a vid of them moving like little woofers, it's awesome! of course they are not too audible below that ~50 hz point, but still fun to watch them move! Do something more useful. Do a sine sweep and video tape the SLM showing the roll off as you slowly step down from 200hz to 31.5hz.

If you based your opinion on fact it would be different. Sure there is some gain going beyond 25% coverage, but it is minimal and unless you are really flexing the piss out of the panel unnecessary. After that using other means to address the insufficiencies of the vehicle are better. To the OP, you will enjoy the 720prs set. Great buy for the money.

I've never put any of that shit up. When Aidan is older I guess I'll have to, but I hate that shit.

Unfair though as it does image pretty well. Midbass in the kicks, mid in the dash, tweet in the sail, and actual electronics to compensate. If they would have just used something a bit better than a plastic mount and the wimpy nokia drivers.

I'd bet the stock stereo in the E34 images better than his car

Of course that is frickin' easy.

better than mjamamaoreiameo's car

Not trying to "scare" you. Could care less, actually just wish you'd shut up most of the time. I definitely want to make sure you don't confuse the OP with your ideas. Again never said I was all knowing, I learn everyday. What I do know is that you have absolutely no experience in actually understanding what is happening, but are good at e-gurgitating crap you've read on forums. Perhaps you should actually try in learn instead of preaching what you think you know. Credibility comes with how and what you state. My title is meaningless, but what is obvious to everyone who does know something is that you are regularly confused. Real obvious to anyone who has ever played around with things to try to actually understand what is going on when you make changes. Unlike yourself I don't need to cite that "I know people winning trophies" and this is what they'd do. Instead I actually use my brain. You should try this once, much more effective. As for why I don't compete right now? A couple main reasons, the first being there are no local feeder competitions. Second, I won't cut up the M5 to do it right and my truck is a beater and was a quick one day install. Most importantly my whole involvement in car audio has just been to relax away from my normal stressful job. I stopped doing installs for money in 1995, now its just for aural pleasure.

Do it the other way around 1) Figure out the NET space you are targeting. 2) Figure out the GROSS space your port will take (including the wood) 3) Figure out the space your bracing will take 4) Look up the volume that your sub will displace 5) Add all four together and now you know what your box needs to be internally.

Crap, I am still only level 14. lol

Boo to the AQ idea. External ports work well in particular in an application like that. At 1cuft though that port could get long and then your assumption of it fitting might not work.

Nice looking, but not babies. Spare ribs are a better deal anyway. Yes, babies they arent. They are so big they dont look like it huh? Now after eating them, I know to use a little less kick next time. But the honey does the trick to balance it out. Im so full! No literally not babies, those are spare ribs. The rib "tip" meat gives them away. The other "half" of the rib would be babies. Never understood why there was a price difference between them. And when I have slaughtered pigs I leave them together. 10" pork rib bones ftw!

Never said I was and definitely still have a ton to learn, but your recommendations aren't helping. You say stupid shit and recommend without understanding the OP's goals and I want to make sure he doesn't blindly follow you thinking you know what you are doing.

Je ne comprends pas

Nice looking, but not babies. Spare ribs are a better deal anyway.

Judged by who?