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People will always find a BS excuse to try and stop you from doing something. But my uncle lives by one of those farms and they really are distracting and relatively unpleasant to look at. Before I went to his house I was in the camp that supported them 100% and thought anybody who opposed them was crazy. But having to look at those twirling things everyday would seriously drive me crazy. I hate to say it, trust me. And an oil or natural gas rig is really that much better for its neighbors? I've never been to a commercial wind farm, but I've been to people's houses that have 10kW-sized generators installed and I didn't find it distracting. I guess we don't have to worry about the commercial-sized stuff out here in the East, other than the offshore ones There's a difference between an oil-free society and what's capable now, easily. I don't know enough about chemical engineering and materials science to begin to provide an alternative...but I don't think we should sit idly by and just continue to do things the way they've always been done if we have alternatives that are doable in our own situations, because it's simply what's commonly accepted today.I would rather live by an oil pump, yes. That's just my opinion though. I also don't think one would be distracting. It's when you see 50 of them huge things in a field that you're like.....whoa. I agree about oil-free vs. what's capable. We can and should definitely use this time of rich resource capacity to look for alternative fuels. I wasn't trying to imply that we should sit idly by. I'm a geologist, I know our oil will run out some day. I was just relating our current usage of oil to other materials that humans have been largely dependent on in history. The difference is that we have been using iron for centuries and still have enough for centuries to come, unlike oil. It's a bit of a flash in the pan, but it has been a very bright flash. We just need to take advantage of it instead of take it for granted. Oil pump noise > wind generator. We have oil pumps on our land in ND, and wind generators near the in laws here. The pumps are quiet in comparison.

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Alternative doesn't work here as our energy is too cheap. The main reason Germany is so successful with alt power is of course it pays for itself quickly, that and they don't suffer from the lack of long term thinking that Americans have.

This was another paragraph I intented to type but then all hell broke loose. I think we agree. We just see different sides of it. I agree a bajillion percent. I just don't see much of a difference between him expanding his company and him expanding his lifestyle when it comes to the market place. If he employees 3 people, it's probably better financialy for him. Might get a better return on investment than he would on a porsche. Either way the money goes from him to someone else. when you buy anything you are helping others keep their job. From buying a big bag of bubonic cronic, to buying cement. Someone else lives from what you spent. it's all either goods or services. When you pay an employee, it's just a service. They trade time for dollars. Increasing taxes takes a slice of that money holds it for a while then puts it out. No one would treat a buisness' finance as poorly as our executive branch in the US does. It needs to be cleaned up. I would love a cabin with a fishing lake/pond BTW sounds like a dream come true. That or a Wally power 118. The bigger the expenditure, the more it gets taxed as the money trickles down through many levels. Taking away from the capability of big spending decreases the overall tax a ton.

Holy crap is right.

best link you've ever posted <-- somewhat surprised you like it Where in my post does it say I liked it? "best" generally implies some level of quality I assumed you meant the content of the link, rather than the link itself Normally I don't even smile on said links, while I don't really like the target it amused me and I felt it was well worth the click.

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Imagine that, copper is pretty much copper. Diameter and strand count can vary, but meh not what I'd be concerned about in a car for sure.

Obviously, the title of the thread completely distracted me

Bullshit. Either way the whole reason behind this argument is stupid. Again, taxing people who try hard to succeed and have "the american dream" deflates that dream. Upward mobility is extremely necessary in our society and if you take it away the net result will be an economic crash that makes the current one look puny. I just say that because I cannot think of any situation where I think I deserve a million dollars a year. I would think of it as a gift. This just comes from my upbringing and seeing my parents work a hard 60 hours a week and make 40k a year from it. The fact that I can use my brain instead of my body to do work is also somewhat of a gift to me, not everybody is naturally equipped to be able to. Yes I have made a lot of good choices that should put me in good positions all my life, more than most people I know. But I would never think I deserve to make 10 times more than they do because of it. Like I said earlier, somebody has to be the trash man. I can't make a ton of money off stock from a company or something without the hard workers in that company doing the work to make the product, likely for 7 dollars an hour. Now I'm all for the american dream, like you say. I just think that's a different issue. I don't see being more heavily taxed as a barrier to overcome. If I make 200k a year and get taxed 33%, then get a raise to 300k a year and get taxed 40%, I'm still making more after the raise. 250k is only 125k each in a couple. When you then look at the baby steps to get to 250k you can see a tax increase their is sick. My preface is watching Europe and the difference here. We have been successful as a nation by promoting individualism and furthering the desire to succeed. Raising taxes at this level makes no sense. I think you misapplied my bullshit as well. I wasn't defending no increase on the $1M/yr income level, but was disagreeing with your statement that if you made $1M you wouldn't mind having your taxes be a higher percentage. Nobody likes to pay taxes.

I wouldn't say foreseeable as I am traveling non-stop for the next 2 months which won't mean that I ship a demo system to the house for any reason. If I still had my old job it would be very easy. When this relaxes if you have no solution I'd be glad to do it without payment.

X2, not only is that extremely inefficient, that's just plain dumb! Considering they act dumb in how they treat customers it is no surprise it is intrinsic into how their company operates.

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It's ok to be bias. feel free to have your opinion. That may be true and it may not. One good thing about our society is that if companies raise prices to make up for losses, people will find the product cheaper from another company, perhaps a smaller, start-up type place. Or mom and pop shop. Which that would be good for us. But if the big company has a large market share or near monopoly that probably wouldn't happen. People would just bitch and moan about it. But really I think it's a decent idea. People who make that much money deserve it, IMO. Are they working a lot harder than you/me to earn 100 times the pay? In 99% of cases, no. But for companies I think it's tough. We don't want to penalize those that expand and grow because that's what the market is all about. But then it's those companies that make that much just by having a huge market share or what have you and gouge the consumer that I hate. I have this thing about always seeing situations from both sides and hardly ever being able to decide which is better. It's a curse. 250k is way too low. Go out and survey what small businesses make and really hard working individuals. When you put your heart and soul into something versus someone who glides by you shouldn't have to pay a tax penalty. These are NOT the people we want to demotivate. The end result will be that everyone suffers as all goods will end up coming from overseas someplace if we demotivate the wrong sector. you may be right about that. 250k is too low. And no I wouldn't want to demotivate people, the last thing I would want is more outsourcing and importing. It speaks to the people who are jealous of others who have worked harder, smarter or both to get where they are. It says to the upper percentage sector that since you pay for 50% of the taxes of the entire country, and the rest of the country does not feel they should carry their weight, your taxes have to increase to make up for it. Take even more from the rich to feed the rest. Thats Gold Jerry! The thing about rich people is that they are smart. They find loop holes through personal corporations and tax breaks. Thats because the basis of the US Tax Code was written to help big business. Not quite. Sort of like saying Marijuana makes people aggressive and kill people. Liberal BS propaganda should be questioned as much as christian conservative BS, you are just forgetting to question at the side you think you are more in line with.

All I know is if I made a million dollars a year, I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining about paying an extra 10% in taxes. Maybe that's just me. Although i would mind if that extra taxes went to feeding the lazy bums who think they're too good to work the menial jobs that the illegal immigrants are now working even though they probably dropped out of high school so that they could do drugs all day or sit in their trailer. I know I'd raise hell about it. Its already 35% for $357,701+ for single person. Another 10% increase means you're "only" getting 550,000 year ?? math ?? on top of that don't forget the state.

It's ok to be bias. feel free to have your opinion. That may be true and it may not. One good thing about our society is that if companies raise prices to make up for losses, people will find the product cheaper from another company, perhaps a smaller, start-up type place. Or mom and pop shop. Which that would be good for us. But if the big company has a large market share or near monopoly that probably wouldn't happen. People would just bitch and moan about it. But really I think it's a decent idea. People who make that much money deserve it, IMO. Are they working a lot harder than you/me to earn 100 times the pay? In 99% of cases, no. But for companies I think it's tough. We don't want to penalize those that expand and grow because that's what the market is all about. But then it's those companies that make that much just by having a huge market share or what have you and gouge the consumer that I hate. I have this thing about always seeing situations from both sides and hardly ever being able to decide which is better. It's a curse. 250k is way too low. Go out and survey what small businesses make and really hard working individuals. When you put your heart and soul into something versus someone who glides by you shouldn't have to pay a tax penalty. These are NOT the people we want to demotivate. The end result will be that everyone suffers as all goods will end up coming from overseas someplace if we demotivate the wrong sector. you may be right about that. 250k is too low. And no I wouldn't want to demotivate people, the last thing I would want is more outsourcing and importing. It speaks to the people who are jealous of others who have worked harder, smarter or both to get where they are. It says to the upper percentage sector that since you pay for 50% of the taxes of the entire country, and the rest of the country does not feel they should carry their weight, your taxes have to increase to make up for it. Take even more from the rich to feed the rest. Thats Gold Jerry! The thing about rich people is that they are smart. They find loop holes through personal corporations and tax breaks. While most middle and lower class bend over and take it from the gov't, the rich accept then work diligently to work around it. and kudos to them for that, because unlike like normal Americans they are not filled with apathy. So you can raise taxes but it really won't hurt them that bad. The alternative minimum tax happens WAY before $250k.

Bullshit. Either way the whole reason behind this argument is stupid. Again, taxing people who try hard to succeed and have "the american dream" deflates that dream. Upward mobility is extremely necessary in our society and if you take it away the net result will be an economic crash that makes the current one look puny.

And have you noticed their questions are all pretty much the same..."I want to be really loud with lots of SQ"... Which equates to, I am a heterosexual male and I want to suck dick

what are the 750's going for?

yes and no. Not at the moment as I am not home and I don't have an analyzer with a generator sitting there daily, but it is rather possible.

Is that why there are so many stupid posts

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