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I am curious as to your reactions. My headtube is like the Moonlander not the ICT. I don't care about slack though. Perhaps it is a bike size thing, but I've never been on a fat bike I thought was twitchy period. I do much prefer short chainstays, but I like to be in the air and it takes way less effort to manual a short cs bike. That all being said it isn't like some effort is bad for me anyways. Rode 18mi last week to Aidan's soccer camp pulling him on a trailer. That is a workout.

They are supposed to be here this week. Came in last Thursday and in final test they smoked a driver Thought they shipped last week....you are making me want to call!

SPL and musical are two polar opposites. Have to choose your compromise. ie, the loudest setup is the peakiest which is the opposite of musical which has a flat response.

Let me simplify it. Go ride an Ice Cream Truck & Moonlander. Let me know which one you like better and why

Okay Jim

I use mine on average 15 hours a day 5x a week and a good 6 hours on the other. Kills a laptop in 2 years no matter the quality to begin with.

I mostly did it on the phone and in text, but pasting big tables in text I am not going to do. Still pissed at my keyboard. Aargh. I pucking HATE laptops.

Wish you were tall enough to ride mine.

Once you know what you like it is easy to nearly buy blindly from the list above. Obviously double checking your size and knowing what the compromise is helps a ton.

The ice cream trucc will get shorter in your size The list above included these in XXL instead of XL. Forgot to warn you about that. Jagamoasta El Gordo Huraxdax Moonlander Ice Cream Truck

can also slaccen a bice by adding more length on the suspension fork on the front as well

The Lenz Fatillac is not on the list and is super slacc with short chainstays http://lenzsport.com/mountain-bikes/fatillac/ Plus I could use another lac

I have long chainstays but had to compromise for a higher bar since I am so long legged. Long chains work great in the winter though as they float easy

Slacc is what you are used to Short chainstays are fun Stacc is the bar height Reach is the top tube corrected for seat/head tube length - long upper body needs a big reach

By stacc Carver Fat Bike HT Titanium O-Beast 26.5 Carver Fat Bike HT Titanium O-Beast 26 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Ice Cream Truck 26 Maxx Fat Bike Rigid Jagamoasta 25.8 Ventana Fat Bike Rigid El Gordo 25.8 Maxx Fat Bike FS Huraxdax 25.8 Scott Fat Bike HT Big Ed 25.6 Specialized Fat Bike HT Fatboy Trail 25.6 Specialized Fat Bike HT Fatboy 25.6 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Wednesday 25.6 Salsa Fat Bike FS Bucksaw 25.6 Peter Fat Bike FS CS-001-21 25.6 Borealis Fat Bike HT Echo (also carbon version available) 25.5 Reeb Fat Bike HT Donkadonk & TiDonk 25.5 Cannondale Fat Bike HT Fat CAAD 1 25.5 Carver Fat Bike HT Titanium O-Beast 25.5 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Moonlander 25.4 Trek Fat Bike HT Farley 9 25.31 Trek Fat Bike Rigid Farley 9.6 25.3 KHS Fat Bike HT 4 Season 3000 25.2 Salsa Fat Bike Rigid Beargrease 25.2 Salsa Fat Bike HT Mukluk 25.2 Salsa Fat Bike Rigid Blackborow 25.2 Carbon Cycle Fat Bike HT Carbon Cycle 25.1968504 Lamere Fat Bike Rigid 190mm - FRAME only 25.19 Dengfu Fat Bike HT FM190 25.19 Lamere Fat Bike Rigid 170mm - FRAME only 25.19 Lynskey Fat Bike HT Fatskey 25.1875 Foes Fat Bike FS Mutz 25 Peter Fat Bike HT N019 24.8 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Pugsley 24.6 Ican Fat Bike HT SN01 24.6

Effective top tube Carver Fat Bike HT Titanium O-Beast 26.5 Carver Fat Bike HT Titanium O-Beast 26 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Ice Cream Truck 26 Maxx Fat Bike Rigid Jagamoasta 25.8 Ventana Fat Bike Rigid El Gordo 25.8 Maxx Fat Bike FS Huraxdax 25.8 Scott Fat Bike HT Big Ed 25.6 Specialized Fat Bike HT Fatboy Trail 25.6 Specialized Fat Bike HT Fatboy 25.6 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Wednesday 25.6 Salsa Fat Bike FS Bucksaw 25.6 Peter Fat Bike FS CS-001-21 25.6 Borealis Fat Bike HT Echo (also carbon version available) 25.5 Reeb Fat Bike HT Donkadonk & TiDonk 25.5 Cannondale Fat Bike HT Fat CAAD 1 25.5 Carver Fat Bike HT Titanium O-Beast 25.5 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Moonlander 25.4 Trek Fat Bike HT Farley 9 25.31 Trek Fat Bike Rigid Farley 9.6 25.3 KHS Fat Bike HT 4 Season 3000 25.2 Salsa Fat Bike Rigid Beargrease 25.2 Salsa Fat Bike HT Mukluk 25.2 Salsa Fat Bike Rigid Blackborow 25.2 Carbon Cycle Fat Bike HT Carbon Cycle 25.1968504 Lamere Fat Bike Rigid 190mm - FRAME only 25.19 Dengfu Fat Bike HT FM190 25.19 Lamere Fat Bike Rigid 170mm - FRAME only 25.19 Lynskey Fat Bike HT Fatskey 25.1875 Foes Fat Bike FS Mutz 25 Peter Fat Bike HT N019 24.8 Surly Fat Bike Rigid Pugsley 24.6 Ican Fat Bike HT SN01 24.6

Thinc the damn ceyboard on my laptop just shit

Wish I could type the letter cay right now

There are a couple other frames that come in M/L and not XL that aren't on my list. can't thinc of what they are atm

If it is bouncy at all you need less air

Go ride extremes (with a long reach though) MAKE sure they adjust the air pressure - 8-10 NO MORE

If you want it sorted some other way it is easy

Those are all for the XL frames, but normally the geometry stays the same and just shrinks. Some exemptions as the larger frame naturally deals with geo a bit different. They try to have the frames ride mostly consistent.

And by reach Carver Titanium O-Beast 19.2 Foes Mutz 18.75 Salsa Bucksaw 18.7 Surly Wednesday 18.5 Maxx Huraxdax 18.5 Surly Ice Cream Truck 18.4 Carver Titanium O-Beast 18.13 Carver Titanium O-Beast 18.01 Specialized Fatboy Trail 18 Specialized Fatboy 18 Ventana El Gordo 18 Scott Big Ed 17.9 Maxx Jagamoasta 17.9 Trek Farley 9.6 17.87 Cannondale Fat CAAD 1 17.8 Salsa Blackborow 17.7 Surly Moonlander 17.7 Salsa Mukluk 17.6 Reeb Donkadonk & TiDonk 17.6 Borealis Echo (also carbon version available) 17.52 Salsa Beargrease 17.5 Trek Farley 9 17.48 Lamere 170mm - FRAME only 17.47 Lamere 190mm - FRAME only 17.32 Dengfu FM190 17.32 KHS 4 Season 3000 17.3 Ican SN01 17.21 Carbon Cycle Carbon Cycle 17.185 Surly Pugsley 16.7

That was sorted by head tube angle. Here is chainstay length Surly Wednesday 17.1 Salsa Beargrease 17.3 Salsa Blackborow 17.3 Trek Farley 9 17.32 Trek Farley 9.6 17.32 Carbon Cycle Carbon Cycle 17.322835 Salsa Bucksaw 17.5 Ican SN01 17.5 Surly Pugsley 17.6 Peter CS-001-21 17.7 Surly Ice Cream Truck 17.7 Scott Big Ed 17.7 Surly Moonlander 17.7 Foes Mutz 17.9 Lynskey Fatskey 17.9 Specialized Fatboy Trail 17.9 Specialized Fatboy 17.9 Cannondale Fat CAAD 1 18 Maxx Huraxdax 18.1 Borealis Echo (also carbon version available) 18.11 Salsa Mukluk 18.3 Reeb Donkadonk & TiDonk 18.3 Peter N019 18.3 Lamere 170mm - FRAME only 18.38 Lamere 190mm - FRAME only 18.42 Dengfu FM190 18.42 KHS 4 Season 3000 18.7 Maxx Jagamoasta 18.7 Carver Carbo Beast ? Carver Titanium O-Beast 17.3-18.1 Carver Titanium O-Beast 17.3-18.1 Carver Titanium O-Beast 17.3-18.1 Ventana El Gordo 17.3-18.3