See that's why i ask questions. clearly fi is no longer for me if they take the subs "intensity" away, why would i want a lower end sub? it all just sounds like a downgrade to me..... i dont have a system to be LOUD i just really like the heart rattling rumble i get from mine the new subs sound good for spl but not for daily anymore "the whole reason i like my btls" The new BTL is no means a lower end sub, most likely the highest end sub you can get for the price. The "intensity" he is talking about probably is from the larger magnet on the gen2 BTL causing a peak in certain frequency's. As far as a woofer i much rather have a flat sounding woofer rather than a peaky woofer.. In order to get the heart pounding rumble usually you have to be pretty loud.