Just out of curiousity, which would have more output with 1000 watts? I know both have great SQ. 1 Icon 15 ported or 2 RL-i 10s ported? Each setup for a LSQ setup, not a SPL or SQ setup.

Edited September 27, 200816 yr by Jysoe

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

2 10's don't have 20inches of surface area. They have 95 sqin of surface while a single 15 has almost 125 sqin of surface...

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

2 10's don't have 20inches of surface area. They have 95 sqin of surface while a single 15 has almost 125 sqin of surface...

Ok, thanks for correcting me. I always thought a multi sub setup you just add inches of each sub and that's how much surface area you have. Please help me understand, where did you get those numbers from and which in your opinion would be louder?

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

2 10's don't have 20inches of surface area. They have 95 sqin of surface while a single 15 has almost 125 sqin of surface...

Ok, thanks for correcting me. I always thought a multi sub setup you just add inches of each sub and that's how much surface area you have. Please help me understand, where did you get those numbers from and which in your opinion would be louder?

www.soundsplinter.com is where I always check to get my cone area's right

They're in sqcm, just divide twice by 2.54.

Get the 15 if you have room for it.

If I don't see the manufacturer's specs for surface area I just figure out the area of the circle (dia*dia*pi*number of subs).

ex: (2) 10's= 5*5*3.14*2=157in^2

ex: (1) 15= 7.5*7.5*3.14=176in^2

This won't give you the exact surface area but it should get you a general idea.

If I don't see the manufacturer's specs for surface area I just figure out the area of the circle (dia*dia*pi*number of subs).

ex: (2) 10's= 5*5*3.14*2=157in^2

ex: (1) 15= 7.5*7.5*3.14=176in^2

This won't give you the exact surface area but it should get you a general idea.

Cone diameter + 1/3 of the surround to be more precise

If I don't see the manufacturer's specs for surface area I just figure out the area of the circle (dia*dia*pi*number of subs).

ex: (2) 10's= 5*5*3.14*2=157in^2

ex: (1) 15= 7.5*7.5*3.14=176in^2

This won't give you the exact surface area but it should get you a general idea.

Just so there is no confusion its radius x radius

Since we are clarifying, there is NO single optimum LSQ box either. SPL and SQ boxes are polar opposites.

Since we are clarifying, there is NO single optimum LSQ box either. SPL and SQ boxes are polar opposites.

Then what is LSQ?

A term that shouldn't exist as it is a subjective compromise. Understood on this site to mean loud sound quality.

A term that shouldn't exist as it is a subjective compromise. Understood on this site to mean loud sound quality.

So basically there is only SPL or SQ?

Not what I said at all. Everything is subjective and a compromise, you have to pick where you compromise and by how much. There is no "optimum" for everyone's solution and there is a ton of variability in between. We are back to the same problem you were having in PM'ing me. If you describe what you don't like and why and then ask what about what you have is doing that you will get into a much better discussion and leave with a better understanding for yourself on what you need to do.

The real deal is you have a ported Icon 15 in a box now. And for the first time after 30 posts and PM's I think you are implying that it isn't loud enough. Of course I could be misreading your post. If you think buying 2 Rli 10's and porting them is going to make it louder, I don't think you will be able to perceive the difference as it will be within a few dB either way and not within the threshold of what you can discern. Now that doesn't mean for your listening preferences that the perceived loudness wouldn't be higher, but you'd have to actually share what you don't like about the response of your 15" Icon and be a lot more specific if you actually want a solution to solve your concerns.

Not what I said at all. Everything is subjective and a compromise, you have to pick where you compromise and by how much. There is no "optimum" for everyone's solution and there is a ton of variability in between. We are back to the same problem you were having in PM'ing me. If you describe what you don't like and why and then ask what about what you have is doing that you will get into a much better discussion and leave with a better understanding for yourself on what you need to do.

The real deal is you have a ported Icon 15 in a box now. And for the first time after 30 posts and PM's I think you are implying that it isn't loud enough. Of course I could be misreading your post. If you think buying 2 Rli 10's and porting them is going to make it louder, I don't think you will be able to perceive the difference as it will be within a few dB either way and not within the threshold of what you can discern. Now that doesn't mean for your listening preferences that the perceived loudness wouldn't be higher, but you'd have to actually share what you don't like about the response of your 15" Icon and be a lot more specific if you actually want a solution to solve your concerns.

My post it says "Just out of curiousity", not that I want a pair of 10s. I'm going to try throwing my 15 into a sealed box. What I want is a sealed setup that'll have a nice amount of output. I know and understand that there are subs that sound like ass sealed and some that could have a decent amount of output sealed.

Edited September 29, 200816 yr by Jysoe

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

2 10's don't have 20inches of surface area. They have 95 sqin of surface while a single 15 has almost 125 sqin of surface...

I thought cone area was diameter divided by two, multiplied by itself, times 3.14... so 2 10" would have 157 sq. in. cone area and 1 15" would have 177 sq. in. cone area.

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

2 10's don't have 20inches of surface area. They have 95 sqin of surface while a single 15 has almost 125 sqin of surface...

I thought cone area was diameter divided by two, multiplied by itself, times 3.14... so 2 10" would have 157 sq. in. cone area and 1 15" would have 177 sq. in. cone area.

cone area is CONE area...not just diameter of the basket divided by two. Think about it...

"CONE area" speaks for itself...there should be no explanation.

No one can tell you that as it depends more on your box than the difference between the drivers.

Hmmmm, ok. Say both drivers are setup in their optimum recommended enclosures tuned for LSQ. Both subs have around the same amount of Xmax, except the 2 10s together have 20 inches of surface area vs 15 inches. However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

2 10's don't have 20inches of surface area. They have 95 sqin of surface while a single 15 has almost 125 sqin of surface...

I thought cone area was diameter divided by two, multiplied by itself, times 3.14... so 2 10" would have 157 sq. in. cone area and 1 15" would have 177 sq. in. cone area.

cone area is CONE area...not just diameter of the basket divided by two. Think about it...

"CONE area" speaks for itself...there should be no explanation.

That's what confuses me a little, because doesn't 2 10s add up to having more cone area than a single 15?

area is equal to (pi) x r^2

or 3.14 x radius x radius

wow.... geometry?

Not what I said at all. Everything is subjective and a compromise, you have to pick where you compromise and by how much. There is no "optimum" for everyone's solution and there is a ton of variability in between. We are back to the same problem you were having in PM'ing me. If you describe what you don't like and why and then ask what about what you have is doing that you will get into a much better discussion and leave with a better understanding for yourself on what you need to do.

The real deal is you have a ported Icon 15 in a box now. And for the first time after 30 posts and PM's I think you are implying that it isn't loud enough. Of course I could be misreading your post. If you think buying 2 Rli 10's and porting them is going to make it louder, I don't think you will be able to perceive the difference as it will be within a few dB either way and not within the threshold of what you can discern. Now that doesn't mean for your listening preferences that the perceived loudness wouldn't be higher, but you'd have to actually share what you don't like about the response of your 15" Icon and be a lot more specific if you actually want a solution to solve your concerns.

My post it says "Just out of curiousity", not that I want a pair of 10s. I'm going to try throwing my 15 into a sealed box. What I want is a sealed setup that'll have a nice amount of output. I know and understand that there are subs that sound like ass sealed and some that could have a decent amount of output sealed.

Actually it says:

Just out of curiousity, which would have more output with 1000 watts? I know both have great SQ. 1 Icon 15 ported or 2 RL-i 10s ported? Each setup for a LSQ setup, not a SPL or SQ setup.

Same problem in your threads as your PM's. Please share what your goals are and stop asking this or that questions that CANNOT be answered.

Not what I said at all. Everything is subjective and a compromise, you have to pick where you compromise and by how much. There is no "optimum" for everyone's solution and there is a ton of variability in between. We are back to the same problem you were having in PM'ing me. If you describe what you don't like and why and then ask what about what you have is doing that you will get into a much better discussion and leave with a better understanding for yourself on what you need to do.

The real deal is you have a ported Icon 15 in a box now. And for the first time after 30 posts and PM's I think you are implying that it isn't loud enough. Of course I could be misreading your post. If you think buying 2 Rli 10's and porting them is going to make it louder, I don't think you will be able to perceive the difference as it will be within a few dB either way and not within the threshold of what you can discern. Now that doesn't mean for your listening preferences that the perceived loudness wouldn't be higher, but you'd have to actually share what you don't like about the response of your 15" Icon and be a lot more specific if you actually want a solution to solve your concerns.

My post it says "Just out of curiousity", not that I want a pair of 10s. I'm going to try throwing my 15 into a sealed box. What I want is a sealed setup that'll have a nice amount of output. I know and understand that there are subs that sound like ass sealed and some that could have a decent amount of output sealed.

Actually it says:

Just out of curiousity, which would have more output with 1000 watts? I know both have great SQ. 1 Icon 15 ported or 2 RL-i 10s ported? Each setup for a LSQ setup, not a SPL or SQ setup.

Same problem in your threads as your PM's. Please share what your goals are and stop asking this or that questions that CANNOT be answered.

If you find a problem with my threads then why do you reply? I asked out of curiousity and you get all technical and annoying lol. Nobody seems to have a problem giving answers but you.

Nobody seems to have a problem giving answers but you.

Actually, that's why I don't reply usually to threads like these

To me, a sealed Icon 15" would have plenty of output. But again, in SQ the sub is the easiest part to get there in terms of undistorted volume.

However I'm sure the 15 would have the capability of dropping lower.

How so?

If I don't see the manufacturer's specs for surface area I just figure out the area of the circle (dia*dia*pi*number of subs).

ex: (2) 10's= 5*5*3.14*2=157in^2

ex: (1) 15= 7.5*7.5*3.14=176in^2

This won't give you the exact surface area but it should get you a general idea.

Just so there is no confusion its radius x radius

Whoops...sorry about that. (Pi*r^2)

cone area is CONE area...not just diameter of the basket divided by two. Think about it...

"CONE area" speaks for itself...there should be no explanation.

Know one said anything about basket diameter.

Not what I said at all. Everything is subjective and a compromise, you have to pick where you compromise and by how much. There is no "optimum" for everyone's solution and there is a ton of variability in between. We are back to the same problem you were having in PM'ing me. If you describe what you don't like and why and then ask what about what you have is doing that you will get into a much better discussion and leave with a better understanding for yourself on what you need to do.

The real deal is you have a ported Icon 15 in a box now. And for the first time after 30 posts and PM's I think you are implying that it isn't loud enough. Of course I could be misreading your post. If you think buying 2 Rli 10's and porting them is going to make it louder, I don't think you will be able to perceive the difference as it will be within a few dB either way and not within the threshold of what you can discern. Now that doesn't mean for your listening preferences that the perceived loudness wouldn't be higher, but you'd have to actually share what you don't like about the response of your 15" Icon and be a lot more specific if you actually want a solution to solve your concerns.

My post it says "Just out of curiousity", not that I want a pair of 10s. I'm going to try throwing my 15 into a sealed box. What I want is a sealed setup that'll have a nice amount of output. I know and understand that there are subs that sound like ass sealed and some that could have a decent amount of output sealed.

Actually it says:

Just out of curiousity, which would have more output with 1000 watts? I know both have great SQ. 1 Icon 15 ported or 2 RL-i 10s ported? Each setup for a LSQ setup, not a SPL or SQ setup.

Same problem in your threads as your PM's. Please share what your goals are and stop asking this or that questions that CANNOT be answered.

If you find a problem with my threads then why do you reply? I asked out of curiousity and you get all technical and annoying lol. Nobody seems to have a problem giving answers but you.

Two reasons.

1) Your thread is being ignored because of the content. Jim sort of pointed this out, but you are so lost no one wants to get into it.

2) You sent me around 15 pm's on the same subject and are SUPER stubborn about the whole thing. You wouldn't answer a very simple question when asked and thread like this don't add anything to the site but take things away.