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well, while the thread is still alive lol, any suggestions on what to use for midbass? id rather not ask the guys at the shop, because they are authorized RE dealers, so theyd just peddle me something RE or something else expensive lol

I know that. My goal is not to be louder than my friend, I just said it would be cool to be. I also know what bandpass means, I was simply wondering if I would NEED midbass

ok, well i had planned tp put a Fi BTL in my Fiero, but the only practical way to put a nice large sub in a Fiero is to either use the front storage or the trunk, using a bandpass box and porting to the cab. i had an email conversation with Scott about a bandpass box for the BTL, and he said it wouldnt work too well for a daily driver situation. so i described my situation to him and he suggested the Q or the BL. I told him id be plenty happy with the Q. he gave me specs for a nice bandpass box for the Q, and said it would have a nice flat response for frequencies between 20 and 80 hertz. this is a quote from the email, "It will take some work to get things to fit correctly, but if you had .8 cuft sealed on the rear and .5 cuft up front (all dimensions are after port or driver displacement) with a single 4" aeroport that is 23" long. This will give you a nice flat response from the low 20s in car to above 80 Hz." now here are my questions... Will i need to add midbass speakers/woofers for 80-150hz (or whatever lol) or will the Q produce them alright in this setup? Does anybody know what kind of output i could expect in terms of dB? I would hope to be able to out-boom my buddy's CVRs lol, especially since i kept saying how insanely loud my Fiero will be when i get the BTL (which im not getting anymore obviously lol). Im not asking which is better or anything like that, im just curious as to what dBs i can expect to make, and if it will be louder than two 12 inch CVRs getting 400ish watts a piece. ill be feeding the Q 1000 watts, or more if you think it will be able to handle it on a daily basis?

The amp is a Valor VPA801. The only Boss item is the sub/amp combo in MY car. I don't need to have SQ clarified or defined. I know I'm not looking for pure sq. The only time I used the term was in an extreme example in order to get a clear cut answer on something. And I'm not a pro poll-maker, so...yeah xP lol

im actually extremely pleased that you didnt just assume i do not realize port area is significant. the fact is i do not know it. They are currently in their stock Kicker box. My buddy is coming over tomorrow probably so i can take a measurement then if the information is still needed. as far as midrange goes, he just has four 2-way 5x7s, and they handle the midrange acceptably I try not to be an ass Is it the Kicker enclosure with the aeroport on the right side? I can't recall the dimensions of the port so they would help Port is on the left side. The model is DCVR12-2. Its a prefab Kicker setup so I didn't expect the box to be perfect. Ill get the dimensions when he comes over tomorrow if he gets here before dark

im actually extremely pleased that you didnt just assume i do not realize port area is significant. the fact is i do not know it. They are currently in their stock Kicker box. My buddy is coming over tomorrow probably so i can take a measurement then if the information is still needed. as far as midrange goes, he just has four 2-way 5x7s, and they handle the midrange acceptably

what do you think it would take to make it a "proper install"? ill describe everything that could possibly affect the subs in some way AMP: 1000watts RMS, Valor VPA801, wired via RCA from the deck's 2v (i THINK) RCA ports BOX: 4.5cubic feet, ported, tuned to 38hz DECK: some Clarion model WIRING: 8 gauge power and ground, no "big 3", no cap (i know 8 gauge isnt ideal, but i dont think it should affect ability to handle double bass. only got 8 because the wiring kit was far cheaper than anything else, especially thicker wiring. if need to upgrade we can just go to a hardware store or something and spool it off). ALTERNATOR: stock 2005 Ford Taurus POSITIONING: in trunk, pushed as deep back in the trunk as it will go, facing rear of car, slid as far right as possible to let the port breath (its on the left side) DEADENING: None yet this was a budget install, i know the components arent exactly top-notch (i know not all of that is needed, but when dealing with computers, giving the ful system specs is always best, so i listed anything i thought might affect the subs) if maybe it is because im not yet good enough at tuning the amp, knowing the details of the setup someone should be able to give me recommendations on what to put the LPF and subsonic filter at right? Im confident i have set the gain correctly, and BassBoost is at 0 (or whatever the Valor's minimum is).

What exactly in the install would affect being able to handle double bass well? the kickers are in a proper enclosure in the trunk, tuned a little too high albeit, and are being fed the appropriate wattage. i know the install is very important, but i THINK the kickers are in a pretty good install yet sound almost muffled when it comes to metal and higher-paced rock. ill try to elaborate yet more lol..: In a proper install, being fed 1000watts, what would handle double bass better...a single Q/BL (in any size over 12 inches), or two Kicker CVRs? ---and please, i know what im doing wrong in this thread as far as my questions go, but if someone actually understands what im TRYING to say could you just humor me with the answer(s) im looking for lol? the TOS and acceptable etiquette of the SSA forums seems to be to weed out noobs and "gangstas" and whatnot, and i am obviously neither (not claiming to be a pro either tho). terminology has just never been my strongpoint, be it dealing with cars, working with hand/power tools, electronics (which i am pretty much a pro at), sports, car audio, math, etc. im at least somewhat skilled in each of those things and very skilled in a few, but i couldnt tell you what a monkey wrench is, or what a SATA port looks like, even tho i KNOW i use them both fairly often---

Loud is not the word I want.---edit: unless you are referring to the original discussion--- On metal songs, such as stuff by Dethklok, the kickers seem to get muddy with so many fast and varied low frequency notes... the Q would do better than the kickers at that, and I THINK better than the bl..right?

Should've figured... by sound quality, I mean is cleaner, responsive, whatever.. in a purely SQ setup, would you not choose the Q over the BL without even a second thought? Better yet, which would better reproduce the low frequencies in heavy metal and rock songs? That isn't our main objective...I just don't know how to word this... (Having read the tos or whatever, wording things effectively is quite difficult...)

Doesn't the Q have higher sound quality?

Thanks smashed. Everyone's experiences help, probably better than just saying what's better and whatnot. Ill see if I can find someone in my area with a Q for us to hear. So smashed (nobody else), in YOUR opinion, would one Q (15 or 18 inch) in a custom box being fed 1000watts be the way to go by replacing the two cvrs? I agree kicker subs are nice, even the local RE dealer was praising Kicker, but id prefer better and my friend would like something louder and cleaner, so I thought a large single Q setup might work

Fi isn't really too expensive. The box will cost more to have built the the Fi sub Ha, i was talking about the whole process it'd take for the change. box sub etc etc I guess I should've assumed that lol. I'm hoping for box under 300, whatever the sub costs, and whatever they charge to install the sub. I'm kind of hoping he gets a btl or a q, because his system is the best bass I get to hear on a daily basis. My car just has a Boss BASS1200 which claims 800watts rms lol xP..that is untill summer when I throw money at my Fiero till a BTL fits lol *check my edit post above* and fuck.. ill build you the box for free if you got some trreeeeeee :drink40: :drink40: but if you are in my area i will build you one. i didnt catch where yall live. Wisconsin lol. I can design boxes, and if we had our tools I could have my dad build the box, but all our tools are even further north lol. If I had more cash id make a box to form-fit his car, because he goes fishing and whatnot a lot, so trunkspace is an issue, but not a major one. The kicker box takes up not too much space, but it makes a lot of space unusable, ie by the port, behind the box, over the box, etc. Anyone happen to know how big a bandpass box for a BTL12 would need to be (this is totally offtopic and unrelated to this thread, I'm just wondering for future reference)?

Fi isn't really too expensive. The box will cost more to have built the the Fi sub Ha, i was talking about the whole process it'd take for the change. box sub etc etc I guess I should've assumed that lol. I'm hoping for box under 300, whatever the sub costs, and whatever they charge to install the sub. I'm kind of hoping he gets a btl or a q, because his system is the best bass I get to hear on a daily basis. My car just has a Boss BASS1200 which claims 800watts rms lol xP..that is untill summer when I throw money at my Fiero till a BTL fits lol

i know you arent a newbie, but these are newbie questions. especially when you bring up kickers brand like that. and FYI i think that the BTL is Fis most efficient sub. so that will get the loudest off a 1000watts. I don't understand why bringing up kicker is noobish, but ill ttry to avoid it in future threads he was talking about you bringing up a "which sub is louder" question, not just about the brand I know asking which is louder is noobish, but I was asking a technical question, being which is louder at 500 watts. I assumed that would be ok