Tony Nelson

I do wish they would ship me my death row soon. Almost been a month now. By the way, alot of bad ass gear you have there

I have seen that video. It was informative. I just wanted some real world experience or tests thats all, if there were any at all. Thanks for the in depth explanation though, very cool.

Company support is very true. I was just chatting with you a little bit this morning about my DR 12 order. I sent emails, walked away, came back and you had replied. Very cool. I really appreciated that. I wish I had money, I would compare the icon, lms-r, and the death row. would be very fun to do. Anyway, thanks for the response.

Word. Waiting on my new sub. Expecting it in the next couple few days. Kef No. It hasn't even shipped yet. On wednesday it will be 3 weeks from day of order

I have not. It hasn't shipped yet. Been about 2 weeks now, but I'm in no hurry.

Yup. You are correct. Good attention to details

Does each subwoofer dramatically change from the next when they build them? Would SSA's woofers change then from every one built? I am going to follow their box recommendations, it would just be nice to have specs for future reference thats all. I guess I'm just gonna have to buy a WT3

I will when I get it. It hasn't shipped yet It's all good though. It will get here when it gets here

I know what you mean. It's been over a week now as well. I just want some specs. I understand though that Nick is a busy guy. Hopefully my Death Row ships out this week. Ordered it on the 16th. Im excited

Thanks for the reply anyway. I guess they don't send them. I tried to email them about it and never heard anything back. I did order the DR 12 however, as I'm not too worried about having the specs, it would just be nice to have them

Ok...Has anyone thats ever ordered an IA subwoofer recieve a spec sheet?

Well, I just ordered the Death Row 12. Hopefully it is was I was looking for.

I would bump up your tuning to IA specs. Other than that you should be good to go! I will do that. And I think I will be ordering it here tomarrow. I am selling my Boston G5 to a buddy for $120 today. actually in about an hour or so. So that will help with the purchase. just one last coin flip between an Icon and the DR

Ok. Question on the box. If I went with the DR, the recommended box is 1.8 cubes - 2.5 cubes, 20 - 48 Inches of Port, 32-37 Hz. So, I can fit a box with about 2 cu. ft. after displacements. I think I will tune the box closer to 30hz as I think that will match up better to my SSF which is set at 28hz. I can do this with a port area of 25 in^2. Is this enough port area? I know it falls in the recommended range, but will it be enough for the DR? Also the tuning will be a little lower then recommended, which I dont think will matter much. Do these numbers sound ok? Also, box dimensions are 14" x 32" x 14" (HxWxD). It comes out to about 2.3 cu. ft and after woofer dis. it is about 2.1 cu. ft.

And why would you vote Icon over the DR?

Does anyone here have a Death row? If so what do you think about it? Possibly a 12" or 15" model.

This will be my daily driver. I have always had sealed subs in my systems, but wanna try ported this time. My goals for this woofer would be to be able to play all types of music. I mostly listen to rap/rock but I do play classical, oldies rock, techno, etc... I also don't always have my system slammin either. So I need it to sound decent at low volume and just blend in. Needs to be musical enough that when I play something with fast double bass I can hear each note, not muddy. Another goal isn't just to get loud. I know whichever I choose will be loud enough for me, so thats not a concern. I do need it to play low however, and with some authority. Whichever I get I will tune to 30-32 hz. I know either will be reliable and I will set my gains correctly with a scope. I have just never seen/heard either of these brands in person, so I don't know what to think. And there are plenty of reviews of the Icons, but I maybe found one or two reviews on the death rows.

one 12 ported would be a fun project, as I have never ran a ported box myself. I would probably on have 1000 watts available on my stock electrical for the sub-stage. I also run a alpine pdx-4.100 to power my type R comps in the front. 2 channels aren't being used at the moment. I haven't done the big 3 yet, but will sometime this summer. The xcon has just too much potential that I wouldn't touch, the Z would be too big, haven't considered the havoc before, and the death row could work. I also forgot about the exodus woofers. I could run the shiva-x2 in sealed boxes. They have real nice extension in sealed boxes, and are real nice sounding woofers. So i just do not know what to do right now, as I'm sure whichever I pick I will be more then happy. and running a prototype Icon sounds like a real cool Idea too

Well, I think I am leaning towards two sealed twelves now, instead of an icon or xcon in a large ported box. Since IA doesn't post any specs on their woofers, it is hard to model responses and compare these two woofers. If I were to put these woofers into an optimum sealed enclosure, which would be better? What I mean by better is which one would give me the lowest extension, and upper extension, and the best SQ? Sundown shows an F3 of 44hz in a 1 cu. ft. box. that isn't too bad, and should dig pretty deep, but I cannot tell anything about the LI. They are both rated at 600 watts which will match nicely to my amp. They are priced the same. They both have great reviews and everyone seems to like them. Overall, would I notice a differance between the lethal injection or the SA-12 if they were in their optimum sealed enclosure?

I just need to decide how much output I really want. I have the power to run 1 icon ported, or can run two of them sealed but a little underpowered. I can fully power two LI-12's or SA-12's sealed box. I have the room, but am not going to use it to port two 12's. And a 15 doesn't fit because of height restrictions, and I don't wanna build a slanted face box to make a 15 fit. Dilemmas dilemmas.... I know its all install dependant, but what are some of the numbers that ppl hit with one Icon? Just some general numbers?

How did they do on the lows in the sealed box?

I actually did email LI asking for the specs. He said that they normally dont give the specs out because all the woofers are custom built. So I didn't ask again

I would love to do an icon. I know that will be a crap ton of bass too, its just hard to guage without ever hearing these woofers or a system much larger then mine actually. Another question....are the icons shipping with the new cone? I just saw in a new build thread, (maybe stafan's?) that they had the look of an xcon. Are they all shipping like that? Also, my amp has a fixed SSF at 28hz. So I will probably tune the box at 28-30hz. but how high could I go before I would run into problems? Those are the prototypes. We are allowing a few people to grab the newer version before their "official release", as we are still awaiting parts for the 10" model. The differences is the Xcon cone, upgraded suspension, sandwiched leads, and coil change. As for tuning, you can tune the box in the 31/32hz range and be fine. oh ok. When would the new icons ship? Will still be a little bit yet. If you would like the prototype version, specify it in your order. ` are the T/S parameters on the prototype the same as the current icon? And would the prototype be the same price and have the same warranty?

I would love to do an icon. I know that will be a crap ton of bass too, its just hard to guage without ever hearing these woofers or a system much larger then mine actually. Another question....are the icons shipping with the new cone? I just saw in a new build thread, (maybe stafan's?) that they had the look of an xcon. Are they all shipping like that? Also, my amp has a fixed SSF at 28hz. So I will probably tune the box at 28-30hz. but how high could I go before I would run into problems? Those are the prototypes. We are allowing a few people to grab the newer version before their "official release", as we are still awaiting parts for the 10" model. The differences is the Xcon cone, upgraded suspension, sandwiched leads, and coil change. As for tuning, you can tune the box in the 31/32hz range and be fine. oh ok. When would the new icons ship?

The daytons are good woofers too, but I would say they work better in vented boxes. I can't say anything about the audiopulse, never heard them. The mach 5's would have better SQ then the daytons.