Tony Nelson
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Well, I think I am leaning towards two sealed twelves now, instead of an icon or xcon in a large ported box. Since IA doesn't post any specs on their woofers, it is hard to model responses and compare these two woofers.
If I were to put these woofers into an optimum sealed enclosure, which would be better? What I mean by better is which one would give me the lowest extension, and upper extension, and the best SQ?
Sundown shows an F3 of 44hz in a 1 cu. ft. box. that isn't too bad, and should dig pretty deep, but I cannot tell anything about the LI. They are both rated at 600 watts which will match nicely to my amp. They are priced the same. They both have great reviews and everyone seems to like them.
Overall, would I notice a differance between the lethal injection or the SA-12 if they were in their optimum sealed enclosure?
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How would those woofers compare to each other? they cost the same and have same power rating?
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Just to throw another into the mix....How are the death rows? Are they an SPL or SQ or somewhere in the middle oriented sub? I can't seem to find much info on the death rows in the forums, and there aren't any published specs on the IA woofers. How would they match up SQ wise to an Icon or xcon? What other woofers are comparible to a death row?
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If your using an SSA woofer, they have a GREAT technical section with blueprints for enclosures so you can build your own, which is the cheapest thing to do
I did find the box plans in their technical page. Really detailed designs.
Not that long ago i change my Type R from Sealed and whoal the performance changed alot it sounded twice as loud as sealed and kep up with all note ported at 33hz but ported is the way to go and building a box aint all that hard.
I have built many boxes for home audio. I am not worried about building boxes. I am worried about the way it will sound. I enjoy the sound of a sealed box, not because it is "tighter" or anything, that depends on install and woofer, but because I like the flatter response. The thing I worry about a ported box with a high power woofer is that I will definately over power the rest of my system. The f3 is much lower then a sealed box, which all of you know I am sure, and taking into acount cabin gain, that could lead to very strong bass from 30-50 hz or whatever. Which I guess isn't bad, and it is definately nice when one is trying to pound their brains out. I am just not quite sure if I want that type of sound all the time in my car. I know ported applications can sound very musical and detailed, I just am unsure right now.
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LOL,
we are not making this easy!
Hell either damn one of them would be bad ass.
It's your money OP I think you would be happy either way!
I really think I will be happy with whatever I choose, I just don't know what to expect to hear because I haven't ever heard these woofers, or any woofers that aren't mainstream other then an elemental designs e3.12 woofer. I build a ported box for a friend for that e3.12 woofer, and it surprised the hell out of me with its output for a woofer only costing $125. I also do have an Fi audio X12 that I bought on black friday for $65 dollars, that I put in the seal box my boston was in and that suprised me also. I wasn't quite as loud or as clean as my boston, but it did hit a little lower. So I am sure and Icon would blow me away, or any woofer offered at this site for that matter.
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^ Right.
Which is why I recommended the ICON, because based on your goals you don;t need the extra performance available form the XCON, the ICON would fit you nicely. Whenever Mark and Aaron FINALLY release the new ICON it will have a slightly increased mechanical power handling which will still be great for you
Ok. Thanks guys for this discussion. I think the xcon is out of the picture for now. I just need to decide whether or not to run two woofers. I could get two lethal injections or sa-12's too, and still be in my budget. I just haven't ever ran a ported woofer in my car before, and I am very curious to build one. Which then I would probably go with the one Icon. too many options...
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The XCON will be better than the ICON, 1 it handles more power so you won't really be able to blow it very quickly or never.The Icon is rated at 1000wrms and It can get blown off of 1500 clipped power from the amp if you do not set the gains correctly and the Xcon is the Icon's bigger bro.....
I'm not worried about blowing a woofer, I never have before. I really don't crank my systems that hard all the time, just once in a while
. I set my gains with dmm's, and now I have access to O-scopes so I will be able to see exactly where my amp clips. It is a RF P1000-1BD, if that matters or means anything. I got it for $230 brand new so it was a good deal.0 -
xcon vs icon on 1000w i doubt you would hear a difference, but if the upgrade bug hit and you wanted more power you would be covered with the xcons.
What is your ultimate goal with the subs? Sq? Loud and clear?
I have thought about that, if I ever wanted to upgrade and such. I would need to upgrade electrical big time though, as it is stock now. I will do the big 3 sometime this summer. My goal is to just get louder then my current Boston Acoustic G5 12. I think it sounds pretty clear, but I do not have anything to base that off, as I have ever really heard anything but mainstream woofers except in the Home Audio world. It is also sealed. So I guess my goal would be loud and clear, because it won't be true SQ setup and ""SQL"" doesn't exist right
. I just don't have the money to "buy something and try it out and see if you like it." So I want to try to narrow things down as best as possible before I buy something.
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Both are nice and they like about the same box.
Tough call.
Just depends if you have extra money to spend. I think you would be happy either way!
Well, I have about a 400 dollar cap to spend on woofers. I could go with 2 10's, 2 sealed 12's, or one big 12 ported. Would there be any differance between and xcon and an icon with 1000 watts available? If there is and I would notice, then I could get the xcon. But if not, other then saying I have an xcon I wouldn't be gaining anything.
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Hey guys. I'm still haven't decided on subwoofer upgrades. I was recommended to go with an XCON in my last thread, which it seems everyone here likes them alot. I would only have about 1000-1200 watts to play with, on a good day, So my question would be whether or not the XCON is better for me over an ICON, with that amount of power. I have room to run the SSA small ported XCON 12 enclosure, and could run the optimum ICON enclosure I think. Would I hear a differance in the xcon vs icon in terms of output with that much power? Would it be worth the extra $100 to get the xcon over the icon?
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Taken from this thread:
Daber audio """"SQL"""" subwoofer??? - SSA Car Audio Forum
They are based on the Dayton HO but there are some suspension differences. In the near future we are bringing out the DVC version of this subwoofer which will actually be cosmetically similar but will be very dissimilar T/S spec wise. I see I see. Good catch. Thanks for the link0 -
I was just looking at the ""SQL"" line again, and noticed how similiar they look to Dayton Audio Reference Subwoofers. I went to look up specs on the Dayton's and realized how similiar your specs are with their High Output series of Referance woofers. Almost Identical. I was just curious thats all.
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The xcon will perform excellently on music
How would two Lethal Injections 12's compare to two SA-12's in terms of output ability and sound quality. Both sealed and each sub running off 500-600 watts?
No one can tell you since it is all install dependent, the only way to tell is both both pairs and test them then share with us your review.
Ok. I can see how if one was running ported boxes, it would be more install dependent. But if they were in there recommended sealed boxes, how would they do? And I'm sure im gonna get the same response so lets here it.
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The xcon will perform excellently on music
How would two Lethal Injections 12's compare to two SA-12's in terms of output ability and sound quality. Both sealed and each sub running off 500-600 watts?
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DC Audio also an option, level 4 ships about 300 I think. But Fi, AA, SSA, all good. Definately go ported 12, a lot of the drivers listed will get you more output.
How is the Xcon musically? I need it to blend with the whole system when I'm not slammin it, which I know it will do that. Isn't the Xcon leaning more toward the SPL spectrum?
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He said Dcons.
Your other choice is a single ported 12. You could do 2 12's sealed but that will just cost you money for the extra driver.
I know he said dcons. He also mentioned Icons, which I said they would be out of my price range
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I would port 2 10" dcons or up the $ a touch and go with icons in that space.
The Icons are sweet, but a little out of my price range. I also thought about maybe one larger ported 12 with the space that I have. I just need it to be accurate as well, I do not want a one note wonder. I have never ran a ported box in my system, but have design quite a few for friends, and I know they can sound good if done right. I just have never heard any of the woofers offered at SSA before, So I do not know what to expect.
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I asked for max box size, you almost answer
36x14x?
Ok. Lets make it 36x14x12
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Max box dimensions?
When picking a sub the first step is to determine the size of the box you can use.
I have a 2008 Dodge Avenger. It has a pretty large trunk, but underneath the back deck is a carpet type enclosure that hangs pretty far down. My current box is only 14" tall, and it hits the carpet thing. So unless I angle the box, a 15 wouldnt fit. I have about 36" width to play with, and 14" height. Depth would change depending on the airspace for the woofers. I don't want to extend too far into trunk, as I always have baseball gear (Bucket of balls and baseball bag), or golf clubs, or something back there. I dont want to lose the use of my trunk, thats why I was thinking sealed.
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Currently I have a Boston Acoustics G512-44 on a Rockford P1000-1bd. I have it sealed, running at 2-ohm, I like the way it sounds. I listen to mostly rock/rap, with the occasional classic rock and R&B. My goals are to have more output, but still keep accuracy. I really enjoy a tight double bass, and love the deep bass from rap. My G5 plays double bass really good, and hits lows alright. I know I could build a ported box and try that first, but I would like to try something new. Height wise, I cannot fit a 15 inch sub into my trunk, but do have quite a bit of room in there. I would like to stay sealed box, and maybe run two 12's or something. What would be your recommendations or thoughts? My budget would be around $4-500. I have been looking at Lethal Injections, or SA-12's, SSD's, Mach 5 IXL's. There is just so many options, I don't know which way to go.
What would match up the best in a sealed box, with around 1000 watts for one woofer, or 500 for two woofers?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Anyone have an idea of how these two 10 would compare to my G5 in terms of sound quality and output?
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I have used the IXL 18, great driver for the money. I believe there is a review on here somewhere about the 10" model.
I have been trying to find reviews on them for a while. I did find a pretty good one, and it was very informative. I also like the recommended box size, pretty small, as I could run 2 of them in about 1.2 cu. ft. tuned at 30hz. I just do not want, and wont, fill up my trunk with woofers. I always have golf clubs or baseball equipment in there. I don't really want to run another 12 as that is boring. I've never had 10's before and these look to be a good performer. The IXL's are stated as being more sound quality driven instead of spl, which is what I am conserned with.
Just seeing if anyone here has used them.
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Hey guys, pretty new to this forum. I currently run a boston acoustic G512-44 off of a rockford p1000-1bd amp. It is in a sealed box and sound really good. I gets pretty loud, ok for my ears anyways, 120-130. But anyways, I was thinking about getting two Mach 5 IXL-10 BR woofers. My goal of this upgrade is to have the same great sound just add a little more oomph once in a while. I do not usually crank it all the time, but when I'm in the mood, I would like a more output.
I listen to Rock/Rap almost all of the time, with some classic rock and R&B sometimes. Not sure whether I would go ported or sealed. (ported with the BR series of course) Has anyone used the IXL-10's here? or have any input?
Thanks
Note: I am about to do big 3 upgrade. Budget would be around price of two IXL's. And right now they are on sale $109 apiece.
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LI-12 or SA-12? which one better for me?
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I would love to do an icon. I know that will be a crap ton of bass too, its just hard to guage without ever hearing these woofers or a system much larger then mine actually.
Another question....are the icons shipping with the new cone? I just saw in a new build thread, (maybe stafan's?) that they had the look of an xcon. Are they all shipping like that?
Also, my amp has a fixed SSF at 28hz. So I will probably tune the box at 28-30hz. but how high could I go before I would run into problems?