I'm not sure "Great" is an adjective I would use to describe Lanzar products post 1996. The VHC line is superior to the Opti line, and older stuff is FAR superior to anything made today. And yes, the "Vibe" line is crap. You should do some research on current Lanzar's. Sure the ratings on the Heritage, MAX, and Vibrant are a little inflated, but the Vibe puts out rated power, and the Opti is a SOLID line. It's because of the other crappy lines that Lanzar sells that cause people to be confused with how good some of the amps are. 80's and 90's Lanzar's were made by Zed, early 90's they dropped Zed. But the Opti's continued with the quality boards. And before you try to come back with an argument, the Opti2000D puts out 1900wrms @ .5 ohms 14.4v. They also handle voltages from 12v through 16v. Stock. No mods. Doesn't sound like a bad amp to me. I never said they don't do rated power. I said they aren't as good as they were before they sold to pyramid. I have owned SEVERAL blue/grey opti's, and I'm running a big VHC in my wifes BMW right now. They are OK amps...better can be had for the same price. And don't try and tell me that the board makes the amp, you know as well as I that the COMPONENTS attached to the board determine the "quality" of the amp. Since ZED stopped making them, they ARE NOT THE SAME QUALITY. nevermind nevermind nevermind, you're right I'm wrong, you're smart, I'm stupid...anything else you NEED to feel better about yourself?