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Ya I can't, well I could but then I'd have a useless trunk really. So I got my 3000d in the mail, I am going to run two batteries, will my stock 100 amp alt be okay with two batteries to power a 3000d, 2 12's, plus a RF 400 watt amp?

Hmm I'm still debating, I've never heard a great system in ported form, I've only experienced those sony subs and etc. And I'm still not sure how a sealed enclosure would really stack against a ported one if both were made up of quality components. Anyway I'm leaning more toward SQ than SPL, and I'd like to make the smallest enclosure possible for my car since my Supra doesn't have a deep trunk being it's a sports car hatch. So sealed makes much more sense right? I love ported enclosures but for my car I don't think it'll make too much sense, especially since it's small and 2 12's pushing 3000 watts in a sports car would overkill my front stage I think anyway. Sealed I think I'll get by, and I listen to a lot of music not just hip hop so I want to have best of both worlds. I think my 3000 watts will make up for the inefficiency of my sealed enclosure versus a lower powered ported enclosure.

Alright so I'll just let them share the same air space, and isn't 3 cubes kind of too much? My previous kicker 10's were in a 3.2 and I didn't like how they did not seem to produce much of an impact. They were just utterly weak and the seemed to be in a box way too large for them. It only made sense if I was looking for a flat sound quality response that wasn't too powerful, but I'm looking into a loud system that still retains some sound quality at where the subs perform best at. And looking at havoc specs it says largest recommended is 1.1 cubes, which is confusing me since fi Q's use 1.5 max. And with the fi q's they like to have 1.2 cubic feet a piece or so recommended by people. So I'm looking for the sweet spot of the havocs, which I have no clue what that is.

Well ordered sundown 3000d amp, with two d1 havoc 12's. But the AA forum is dead, anyone care to help me out here on the beloved Fi forum on what my enclosure size should be with these two 12's sealed? Also if the subs should share the air space or should be built in there own boxes?

To get that extra power thats needed without having to overpower what ever they need, buy two amps making a more complicated install, strain there electrical even more, and spending more money overall.

Yeah.. I was kinda looking to the RE XXX's. Would a pair of those be a good choice? Also, what kind of power can they handle? Usually in a sound quality set up, you don't want to hear the rear speakers interfere with your fronts. So usually people recommend either running nothing in the rear, or an inexpensive set of quality speakers if you must for your rear passengers. But if you must run rears like I do, just tune them power wise low enough so you don't hear them, but loud enough for the others to enjoy. Coaxial speakers in the rear are fine as well, just get one set of components for the fronts.

I thought I did Anyway ordered my amp, the 3000d, and asked for D1's instead of the D2's that usually ship to retail. As for enclosure, you recommend no divider? I hear from various people put dividers and others who do not, whats the difference? And anyway, in a sealed enclosure where do these subs like to be at? I saw that box recommendations for one sealed is .6-1.1, so I guess they take less air than the Q's do since Q's can max at 1.5 even though there similar subs. SO what would be optimal for two of them to be in there best range of play? 2 cubic net combined after displacement? I'm guessing displacement of each sub is 1.2 cubic net in the box for the room they take? Sorry I"m a noob.

Anyone? I need advice.

Ya I just realized that now hah, but from what I heard havocs should sound similar to Q's.

Well anyway guys, since posting here I decided havocs 12 D1's for sure, going to couple it with a sundown 3000d sound good? I posted in the AA section, it's dead no replies..... Someone help me lol.

Alright cool, I'll talk to Scott and see what he thinks. I know either way my system will be god like!

Hmmm true, but the AA I can get cheaper than the Q by 50 bucks, so thats whats making it interesting. Hmmm hmmm hmm...

Bump I gotta order and finish my system!

Crap now I've seen the Havoc line up from AA, is it comparable to the Q? I'm still searching for ideas on subs, and the havoc seems comparable to the Q. Which is better and why? And if the havoc were the better sub, what would the enclosure requirements be?

Mjmpistol? Haha if thats you cool man, that forum is slow though on responses haha. Man I've been thinking of going with a 15, but if I did I wouldn't be able to use my fiberglass I spent so much on so 12's are the only way to go or I stay with 10's on that box. And if I stayed with the two 12's I could port them, but air space again, I want more trunk space and my tiny hatch back car would get flooded too much with bass lol. I like ported, but for this car I want to stick with sealed, I like the sound quality I get. My mini van is the car for the bass banging port haha. So final thinking for the box, each fi Q 12 should be in a 1.3 cubic foot enclosure sealed in it's own side separate from one another right? 1.3 and with the subwoofer in there it will be about 1.2 cubic feet? I hope 1.2 cubic feet is the best as I've read, or if anyone else has any recommendations to go bigger or smaller please tell. Also going larger on a box per sub would flatten out the response of the sound right? Making it do less bass but less spike specific frequencies right? Thats what my shop did to make the SQ set up? I think it was overkill as it sounds weak lol.

Alright D1's it is! Thanks a bunch man I'm sure I will! Time to talk to Scott and SSA for the amp.

Alright starting work on my new box, I'll be ordering 12's soon! So guys with the sundown amp I'll need to get D1 versions to run them at 1ohm right?

PM denim or ssaudio to get a price for the Sundown I appreciate it, I did just pm'ed him, again thanks man, really thanks! So I'm sure this amp will exceed my expectations, should be better than gravity 2 channel amp thats probably underpowered and cheap. And if anything if I'm not happy with it I'm sure I can always buy another one down the line.

I just read it thanks! Hmm wow so they really are good amps but wow 600 dollars. Is there anywhere else I could get this for less? And will my stock alt handle all this? My car has I think a 90-100A alternator, an interstate battery, and stock wiring for everything regarding factory electronics besides stereo. I also have a 2.5 farad cap from rockfordfosgate.

What about this amp? It's suppose to be 700 dollars, http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductCart/pc...p;idproduct=380 Don't know too much about this model though.

Haha you guys, okay so 700 watts is more than enough than? I could go along with one amp for awhile and add another later I guess down the road... So the sundown are really rated around 1500 watts rms? So why would I get this over lets say kicker .750's? Kickers are only 250 dollars and push 900+ watts rms, And I could technically get two for the price of one sundown and push these subs near there rms, but I'm guessing the sundown would sound better as kicker amps aren't exactly the best amps out there for sound quality? Hmmm I'll look into it thanks! I'm concerned because for my new box build I have to have space pre measured for all of this, and if I get just one amp than I'll have more room for other things and etc.

I'm still confused with amps and wiring, I thought I'd need 2000 watts to power these subs? 1000 watts a piece per sub right? Wouldn't 1400 be underpowering them at 700 watts a piece at best? You don't need a kW to power a Q. When I auditioned one, 700W was perfect... The amp works the same whether or not the gain setting is set at full, or barely turned.Okay cool with the amp gain so I guess it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't distort and etc. Now about the Q power requirements, you say 700 watts was perfect? I hope your right because isn't that a bit underpowering for it's rms of 1000? Will 700 watts give the sub it's full sound potential? One of the SSD reviews said that at 500 watts it was powerful but some of it's sound ranges were weak, and once powered at rms it woke up and played all ranges perfectly. So will the Q be able to play very well at all ranges at 700 watts give or take rms? I'm still looking for an affordable amp, I rather go with one amp than two and am having a hard time finding an amp powerful enough under 500 dollars that can do this that isn't cheap.

Anyone? I'm still looking for amps, I don't know if Kicker will cut it. If I got the .1000 watt one it can do about 1100-1200 watts rms will that be good enough? And is it bad for me to set the gain on the amp at 100 percent? I know amps can clip and what not especially if the gain is set too high for the head unit and everything else, but if the subwoofers eat 1000 watts rms would it be okay for the kicker amp to be set at 90 percent? Or should I look for an amp that can provide more power and set the gain at 75 percent and what not so the amp doesn't overwork itself.

I'm still confused with amps and wiring, I thought I'd need 2000 watts to power these subs? 1000 watts a piece per sub right? Wouldn't 1400 be underpowering them at 700 watts a piece at best?

Well with 3.2 cubic feet I'm sure I could go ported, the guys who made it are spl junkies so I notice this box was better off if ported. But I want to go into the sealed world of things for this car lol. I dunno I just like how it sounds but I do miss how the ported would hit. Anyway I'm downsizing about a cubic foot but we'll see, I may still keep my 3.2 box. And I am also replacing my amp, thinking of getting kicker .750's would that be okay? There like 900-950 watts rms, would that do nicely with a Q or should I aim with the .1000 watt model? And with the 1400 I am returning it, but I'm sure the ssd's would of done nicely with it, not too under powering at all. But I want a setup that gets great sq and gets loud loud. Still unsure if I should stick with my 2 10 inch fiberglass enclosure or spend a bit of money to make them fit 12's. So anyone have a say are 12's really really worth it over 10's or there's hardly a difference comparing these series of subs?