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    By 4th order are you referring to 4th order vented, or 4th order bandpass? And if bandpass, why?

    If you reread his last post he stated what he means. By fourth he means 4th order bandpass.

    Op just a heads up a ported box is a 4th order vented enclosure and a bandpass box is a 4th order bandpass enxlosure. So just saying 4th order doesn't specify the exact enclosure you want, hope that helps.

     

     

    Thanks, I just noticed that I did not specify.

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    Yeah, I am currently going to run 2 Orion 2500d's.  I may later add 2 more 2 the mix if I can get my hands on them.

     

    However, I still am torn between a regular ported enclosure and a 4th order.  :(  When I do the "math" it says that my subs are not made for a 4th, but they are more so suited for a regular ported enclosure or a 6th order.  That is just the math though, I wonder if anyone has any real world experience with these subs in a 4th order enclosure and their performance.

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    Are you saying you have crossover points with zero overlap?  With numerous speakers playing the same frequency, even if the same size, you will have some cancellation also.

     

    I agree with ///M5, as soon as I saw that link......

     

    That is correct, i have crossover points with no overlap.  I was not aware that there would still be cancellation if the same speakers at the same size were playing the same frequency.

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    You're arguing with one of the most knowledgeable people on the board. I'd give what he says a try before trying to dispute it. The board is here to learn from, remember tongue.png

    I am not arguing.  I am simply asking a question.  Telling me to sell/return most of the equipment i purchased isn't teaching me anything.  Or telling me that what I have is overkill/no good is not helping either.  I am not saying he is incorrect, i am simply asking for explanations.  

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    Sell one. Seriously pointless.

    Your "front stage" is a fuck show. Complete mess. Had to use quotes as it surely won't stage. Won't sound good either.

    Better to ask before you buy. Start determining what you can return and stop listening to the moron that is "helping" you

    Don't just say something if you don't plan on backing it up with some logical reasoning. I am not saying you are incorrect, but I do want to know why you think it will sound bad? Just saying your setup sucks is not helping the situation or providing any means of actually helping. I will be running both 2500d amps at 2 ohms like i previously said I was going to because I already purchased both amps. I think you all need to understand that this is a "show car," this is not a car i drive often (maybe 2k miles a year). Not only do I want it to sound good but it MUST look good.

    Many of you keep referring to staging and such, yet I do not really care about staging at all. this car only needs to be LOUD & CLEAR (No distortion and or vibrations). With the type of music i listen to staging is not really all that important anyway. I am looking more so for loud and just fill. There will be 8 tweets, 8 5 1/4s, 4 8s and the 2 12s. I'm not sure how you think it will sound like a shit show when it is all being professionally tuned with a good sound processor. also you can't really call it a front stage when most of the speakers will be in the rear in a soundbar like enclosure.

    Any other input?

     

    Audio 101 eludes you.

    Using any two drivers to play one frequency will create interference. Both constructive and destructive. This will cause a mess not only in the staging which you don’t care about but the frequency response.

    The sensitivity mismatch in your choices is idiotic. If you don’t understand that then you have no business in installing anything in your car.

    Your driver size choices are completely confusing as well. A 3 way has one major purpose. That is to get as much of the audible spectrum into a single driver as possible. You made this 8 and then picked a size of driver that will beam like hell and generally sucks donkey dick as a midrange.

    I didn’t add detail before because seriously you have one of the worst laid out “front stage” ideas I’ve ever seen anyone bring to a forum. No surprise that you find inspiration on SMD where the average forum goer doesn’t know his head from his ass and the whole forum is corrupted due to an owner that is keen to make money of noobs instead of educating them. Fundamentally there is only misinformation there not real information. Your LOUD & CLEAR will be loud but will be FAR from clear.

    Anyways, I only picked a few items on why it is bad there are a ton more. If you did what I requested though we could actually help instead of telling why what won’t work focus on what could.

    Your processor choice isn’t so good for this either.

     

     

    Each speaker will be playing different frequencies...there is no overlapping...?  What is wrong with the processor choice?  Any other recommendations?  

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    This is the car that inspired me for my setup.  He has multiple speakers and just 1 15" in the trunk and can hit 150s off of his trunk setup with a nicely constructed box.

     

    This car sounds ABSOLUTELY AMAZING in person...best sounding car I have ever heard.  I am shooting for something like this...

     

    http://www.*****.com/board/topic/158900-06-altima-6k-trunk-build-fi-15-team-sub-hair-trick-vids/page-13

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  20. Posted

    Sell one. Seriously pointless.

    Your "front stage" is a fuck show. Complete mess. Had to use quotes as it surely won't stage. Won't sound good either.

    Better to ask before you buy. Start determining what you can return and stop listening to the moron that is "helping" you

     

    Don't just say something if you don't plan on backing it up with some logical reasoning.  I am not saying you are incorrect, but I do want to know why you think it will sound bad?  Just saying your setup sucks is not helping the situation or providing any means of actually helping.  I will be running both 2500d amps at 2 ohms like i previously said I was going to because I already purchased both amps.  I think you all need to understand that this is a "show car," this is not a car i drive often (maybe 2k miles a year).  Not only do I want it to sound good but it MUST look good.  

     

    Many of you keep referring to staging and such, yet I do not really care about staging at all.  this car only needs to be LOUD & CLEAR (No distortion and or vibrations).  With the type of music i listen to staging is not really all that important anyway.  I am looking more so for loud and just fill. There will be 8 tweets, 8 5 1/4s, 4 8s and the 2 12s.  I'm not sure how you think it will sound like a shit show when it is all being professionally tuned with a good sound processor.  also you can't really call it a front stage when most of the speakers will be in the rear in a soundbar like enclosure.

     

    Any other input?

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  21. Posted

    After running my xcon 18d2 on a Soundqubed 1200 at 1 ohm,  compared to running my first xcon 18d1 on a Skar 1500 at .5 ohms.  I can say that the difference wasn't huge. 

     

    I would run both 2500's at 2 ohms like you said....IF you already have the 2nd amp.  if not- one 2500 at 1ohm will drive both subs just fine.

     

    Thanks Leedogg, I think that's what I will do considering I already purchased the 2nd 2500d and it should put less stress on both amps.

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    Well, I originally had just 1 2500d but the person whom is helping me with the install said that I should get another.  He informed me that is better to have more power on tap than is needed and typically better to have double the power that is needed for the subs in any particular amp so that the amp does not have to work as hard.

    That person is an idiot, stop listening to him.

    I personally would not mind if I could just push 1700 rms to each sub...I don't necessarily care about it being that loud (i just like nice hard hitting bass) but also like SQ as well.

    So you like loud and peaky and something that is much less loud and flat response at the same time. Or perhaps you just don't understand either of the opposites.

    Could i potentially make the box smaller if I ran both amps?  The box will be in the trunk and forward facing (i would prefer to make it smaller if possible to keep room for a spare tire)

    You can but it makes no sense and won't help you at all. Back to liking the FR thing....obviously you don't.

    He knows what he is doing and no it is not made up.  He does multiple "high profile" builds all of the time and has been doing this stuff for years and competes regularly.  I am just looking to get a 2nd opinion on my particular setup.

    He has A LOT to learn.

    Seriously, just run one amp. You never once referenced a meter in your posts so chasing less than audible sound differences is pointless. You have to double the power to hear a difference. Running a second amp won't do that for you as between reaching the thermal & mechanical limits of the driver and power compression will stop that cold in its tracks. The 2nd amp is a waste of money, don't buy it, don't use it and don't invest in the necessary electrical to add it as what you propose is literally akin to flushing money down the toilet. I would also be vary wary of any other advice said friend is giving you as obviously he is a complete noob and infatuated with all of the wrong aspects of audio. Headroom is important, but this is a sub that is going to play the very smallest of regions in the audio spectrum where your ear is super inefficient at hearing distortion or anomalies. Terrible place to spend extra money for no reason.

    Put that budget you were about to waste to good use and spend it ALL on your front stage. It will make a monstrous difference.

     

    You still think I should just run the 1 amp even though I already have the 2nd with the electrical to back it up?

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  24. Posted

     

    Well, I originally had just 1 2500d but the person whom is helping me with the install said that I should get another.  He informed me that is better to have more power on tap than is needed and typically better to have double the power that is needed for the subs in any particular amp so that the amp does not have to work as hard.

    That person is an idiot, stop listening to him.

    I personally would not mind if I could just push 1700 rms to each sub...I don't necessarily care about it being that loud (i just like nice hard hitting bass) but also like SQ as well.

    So you like loud and peaky and something that is much less loud and flat response at the same time. Or perhaps you just don't understand either of the opposites.

    Could i potentially make the box smaller if I ran both amps?  The box will be in the trunk and forward facing (i would prefer to make it smaller if possible to keep room for a spare tire)

    You can but it makes no sense and won't help you at all. Back to liking the FR thing....obviously you don't.

    He knows what he is doing and no it is not made up.  He does multiple "high profile" builds all of the time and has been doing this stuff for years and competes regularly.  I am just looking to get a 2nd opinion on my particular setup.

    He has A LOT to learn.

    Seriously, just run one amp. You never once referenced a meter in your posts so chasing less than audible sound differences is pointless. You have to double the power to hear a difference. Running a second amp won't do that for you as between reaching the thermal & mechanical limits of the driver and power compression will stop that cold in its tracks. The 2nd amp is a waste of money, don't buy it, don't use it and don't invest in the necessary electrical to add it as what you propose is literally akin to flushing money down the toilet. I would also be vary wary of any other advice said friend is giving you as obviously he is a complete noob and infatuated with all of the wrong aspects of audio. Headroom is important, but this is a sub that is going to play the very smallest of regions in the audio spectrum where your ear is super inefficient at hearing distortion or anomalies. Terrible place to spend extra money for no reason.

    Put that budget you were about to waste to good use and spend it ALL on your front stage. It will make a monstrous difference.

     

     

    Thanks for the feedback.  That is why I am here asking questions :)  I am tired of pumping out money.  I've already spent close to $4k on equipment and my whole initial budget for the system upgrade was $2500 and we have not even began to start the build yet...

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