Billy Jack

For the price, they do the job and are probably on par with the JBL GTO series. Flip a coin and I'm sure either one will be as good as any other entry level brand. Which just like JBL, they offer mid level stuff to, like the X series active speakers. If this sounds like what your looking for go for it, just don't expect them to pound like sundowns, or be as clear, and crisp as morel, or brax. And I gotta say sonic is probably the fastest internet brand I have ever dealt with, ordered my stuff and it was setting on my porch the very next morning, I was shocked it came that fast.

You got some balls, I will give you that. How can you say a company like NVX ,which is owned by Maxxsonic, that also makes numerous other cheap copies like Hifonics, MBquart, and crunch makes better stuff then JL, or Harmon, which spend enough on RAndD to afford you. Your very tag is the definition of, paying for a premium product "M5". You saying NVX is better then JL is like saying a Camaro is better then a M5 cause it does the same thing cheaper, but leaving out the part where the M5 is a premium automobile with better build quality, reliability, more advanced tech, and so on. And just like the automotive word, car audio is vanity to, a lot of my toys are better, flashier, more expensive then yours. Basically your the very definition of a hypocrite. And what does is say about what you do if you get contracted by JL yet the same old ten year old design with NVX stamped on it is better.

Dude it's a comment on a forum, fuck proper sentence structure. Hell it even says in the newbie thread, do your best where not writing books here. And the only reason you even said that is because I already told you what you would say so you where locked in to not using your same old shit. Apparently when all else fails revert to being a spelling nazi! Lol

Oh, and you thread dump yourself, we where having a perfectly good discussion on how to gain DB's and here you come talking about blind AB testing of amps. So don't whine about me doing it, when you done it first. I can already tell you your response, I'm a kid, I'm a JL nuthugger, a thread dumper, and can't read. Basically I'm you, but not in denial, at least I admitted when I was wrong, and was new to forums, your supposed to be a tech guy, what's your excuse the rules don't apply to you? Now go ahead and CHANGE every FACT I just stated to fit your agenda!

Apparently you have a reading problem as well, I never said, you said, JL sucks. You just gave me a hard time for owning JL, when you yourself own, and have owned JL. We call that something ,oh yea a hypocrite! Then you justified your nonsense by saying, "but I didn't buy new" and assuming I did. I actually paid way more for my Sundown stuff, then I did my JL stuff, so looks to me like you prefer to put words in my mouth, or flat out lie about me, to fit your agenda. And yes it cost more to design every sub, and amp different, and not just order up the same old 10 year old tech, and slap your name on it, and sell it directly to the customer. I guarantee the crossfire stuff is higher then the exact same SSA stuff, because it's not sold online. Middle man gotta make his money to. and those ain't even separately designed, there just off the shelf parts. You never hear anybody bitching about MMats, or Rockford fosgate being higher then these internet brands, but they are just as high as JL, or more. And the reason for that is because guys like M5, are paid to tout these internet brands as the next big thing, while bashing the brick and mortar company's cause they don't sell at internet prices. And I'm not defending one company or the other, I use some of all there stuff as long as it's a decent product that works. I just find it hilarious you give me such a hard time for using JL, when you got picks up of more JL then I own. Lol, and your best come back is always say I can't read, and call me a kid, motherpucker I'm 40, and you seem to be the one who's having trouble reading. Honestly you gotta come up with something better, you un original bastard.

all I see on your pics is a old pickup full of JL. Actually more JL then I got. Maybe you have JL boner denial, cause you think it's hip to be a hater. Lol

No they smoke coils, and wire but I would still like to know the price of the crossfires. There the same sub as the evil, but there not sold online, so I can't just look it up. I'm curious how much more they charge to sell them in store fronts. I would imagine there more expensive by a couple of hundred dollars from a dealer. Middle man gotta make his to nothing wrong with that.

Ain't much in a amp, if the board is the same, it stands to reason the rest is probably the same to. They order these things from Zenon, and stamp, or etch their name on them, so more then likely, if they share a board they will share other identical parts, except maybe the case. And I don't have a boner for JL, I just know they make great sounding subs, always have. Spl monsters there not, but there not supposed to be, they actually care more about reproducing music the way it should be, then building one note vibraters. When I want sq I go JL, image dynamics, or morel and when I want spl I go Korean built, Incriminator, Sundown, crescendo, Zenon, etc. It's best to find out who is new and using the same amps and subs as other reputable brands and get the same exact off the shelf stuff for $100's cheaper. A year or two ago that would have been twisted sounds before they notched out a share of the market and raised their prices. This year it looks like audio legions, synergy, and DS18 are the newest company's to buy zenon and stamp there name on it. They may even say there not the same but I would bet my bottom dollar there identical to some other company's stuff with there name on it. And I also know they all lie even JL ain't none of this stuff putting out close to what they say. But at least now a days even the crap company's make ok stuff for the most part. Back in the day pyramid and some of the other garbage stuff wouldn't work half the time and if it did it wouldn't work long. I had a surf board rockwood that was so crappy you could actually here music coming from the board it's self.

Me to but I was hoping somebody was running them or there rebadged copy's. It stands to reason if someone is using, say a twisted sounds 5k, and the synergy is identical other then the name they could give me some input on there reliability/output/efficiency/build quality/etc

Cheap upgrades are my favorite kind.

What are you gonna be using for power?

Are those crossfire subs any higher then the SSA Evils? I would imagine there slitely higher since there not sold online. I myself do like the looks of the crossfire's just slitely better but still basically the same sub either way. Definitely going to be a bad bitch no doubt about that. Those could be crappy $100 dollar subs and it would still be decent loud in a build that big.

I'm talking about the synergy 3500 or 5k on the SSA site. I still haven't made my mind up yet what brand amp I wanna run to my BTL. I was also checking out DS18 to there reasonably priced and look awful close to Sundown copy's. Anyone have any info on DS18 audio.

Amen to that. All anyone does any more is call up a build house and order the same old tech and etch their name on it. And there are a few quality built amps out there but they usually come at a premium. Now a days when someone orders from a build house they usually send extra's because it's cheaper to replace a few bad amps they know will fail instead of fixing them the way they used to. I know JL would order 5k boards, and there build house would send 5500, and expect that to settle the account for returns, and warranty claims. It's probably why they built their own build house for amps, processors, and etc. That and they had a huge budget from premium pricing. But mostly what I want to know is, would a synergy or soundqubed be on par with the Sundown, or D.C. Amps that cost hundreds more. I know, what a year ago when twisted sounds where new they where a cheaper amp and just as good as the other Korean boards. I can't remember which amp it is but there identical to one of the other boards it might have been crescendo I think. If nobody knows I can go to gut.shot.com and see what other company's are using the same internals.

While where on the subject of paying more for the same thing, are these new synergy amps just another cookie cutter Zenon amp like the sundowns, DC, Twisted Sounds, or are they actually a slightly cheaper board. What I want to know is, are they the new "I did it to" company to use the same Zenon tech with there name etched on it. If they are I should just save a couple of hundred bucks and get one of there amps instead of a Ampere or Sundown. I know there are slight differences even in the same Zenon or Chung Lam boards but are the synergy close in quality/output to the other rebranded Zenon/Chung Lam amps.

Uhh yea, I already said everything you just said myself. Had I known the true retail price, I would have never even commented. I am always in a rush, and work around, or over a 100 hours a week, so when I went to get the phone, I didn't shop, I seen new iPhone 7+ $699, and grabbed it and a pink otter box, slapped down $800 something, and was back to work in a hurry. Never thought anything of it, until I seen your used phone for $750, which made me wonder, (why is he asking full MSRP), but now I know I bought a open box display model, that looked new to me. I don't do much but work, so I don't shop, or watch tv, so in my mind $699 was full price, but now I see the mistake. I do apologize my bad, but I did say I meant nothing by it, and even said I was sure somebody in a city, or a higher average economy area, would be glad to have it, did I not? And damn when did these new phones get so expensive. I remember my sister waiting at the Apple Store in Knoxville tenn, for the new iPhone 6, and it was 5 something I think. Might have been $599, but I know it wasn't even close to $869, and that wasn't that long ago, so it can't be inflation. I guess apple is doing like JL, and Sundown, and using the (you should pay more like me) advertising technique. It sure ain't the tech where paying for.

In your case the 12's would be my vote. But I'm no expert on bass race, I always competed in amature music classes in Meca, and even that was 15-20 years ago. But I have watched the bass races and I would think higher power handling, more cone area, and 2 coils over 1 would be a Benefit.

Your mama was used and I enjoyed her! Lol sorry but you walked right into that one.

Trust me it was a new phone. It still had the screen cover from the factory on it and not even a smudge on it. Ain't nobody walking around using a phone with a big plastic cover over the little thin cover on the iphones. And it's a iPhone 7, it can't have been in the case to long. Considering they have phones in glass cases every where I'm inclined to believe them. I have tried to buy a floor model of a apple computer in the Knoxville store and they wouldn't sell it, but it wasn't in a glass case, it was a truly used item. The model we wanted was out of stock, so that's why I asked, but the place where I bought the 7 has everything in cases, so there not handled by anyone. I personally don't mind a open box, as long as it's got a warranty and is new, but I wouldn't waste my money on refurbished with no warranty. And I didn't do anything in his thread besides say I just bought one myself for $699 which I thought was the new msrp which made we wonder why he would ask over new price for a used phone. I see this a lot on Facebook people will post things for more then they cost new hoping somebody will buy it, which is what I thought he was doing.

And what do you consider thread dumping? I assumed as long as you where speaking on the subject at hand, or asking a question about the same subject, you where good. What exactly is the problem with me saying I just purchased the same phone at a similar price? It wasn't a old thread it was at the very top of my screen and I spoke on the exact topic so how am I wrong? Just tell me instead of making a big deal out of it and I want do it anymore, problem solved.

No goober I bought a brand new phone in the box with the plastic still on the screen for $50 less then the op's asking price because a piece of apple tape was cut on the box. That's like calling a car used because they rolled it off the trailer and parked it on the lot. Phone was new never powered on the box had been opened for what ever reason. Apparently it set in a glass case as a floor model for a few weeks before it was re packed and sold to me. I didn't care I seen a new iPhone that my wife asked for so I got it and didn't think twice, still don't. I would buy it again even if I had asked and found out it was a open box item. Apparently I need to go buy a few more and post them up on here for $750 lol.

Actually you can only stop me from posting on this name, and URL, but unfortunately for you I have access to over a dozen different IP addresses, so it would make for a good game of whack a Jack if I actually wanted to troll and just switch names, and servers, but that's not what I'm about. I honestly just speak my mind, and don't understand all these forum rules. I read some of them, but honestly I don't see the big deal of just commenting and what ever topic that's being discussed. I'm a old ass hillbilly you will just have to forgive my forum manors.

I to ran 3 12w6V1's at 1ohm off a Phoenix gold M100. They where in a tiny Toyota hatchback that got loud easily. Then when ever the square L3's came out I had a wall in a Fbody Z/28 and upgraded those when the L7's came out. Always charging my hatch full of batts so we could go cruising and pick up some women. Aww the good old days.

Well I have a black iPhone 7 plus with a pink otter box when my woman is at work lol. When she is home I use a iPhone 5s I think. It's the one with the finger recognition which ever model that is 5C or 5S.

Ok, I called the ATT/Singular store and talked to the manager, and he said the phone I bought was in fact reduced, because it was a opened box model. But he assured me it was brand new, and had never been powered up, and was no different then a $869 dollar phone that would come from a iPhone store, other then a piece of tape missing. I honestly thought it was just a regular off the shelf model until I read this post. But either way I would gladly but it again even if I had knew.