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99/100 times your amp will not go up in smoke if the speaker wires touch each other, the amp goes into protect mode as if it was a speaker short or to low of a resistance. But you need to cover them, tape them off or something. I made my sub box removable because when I go to the In-laws I need the space under the rear bench seat, so what I do is I put the speaker wire terminals in a plastic baseball card case that hold 50 cards and I have a switch in line of the remote wire to the sub amp. This way, if I switch the amp off via the remote wire, if it accidentally gets switch back on, my speaker wires are still separated and isolated.

Cheerio, cheerio, I see your point and it's well made. That's why I asked active vs passive, and you clarified. The tips I have, mid range and tweet as close together as possible, Mid bass where you can fit it with good output. Of course all options will take testing. That is the easiest way when setting up actively and for the most part it's how the 3-way passives are designed.

There's got to be more to it then that. The odds are highly against the possibility that both mids and the subs would quit. Mess w/a few settings on the HU. Switch amps, switch RCA's, barrow amps to temp replace them if you have to, replace comps/subs to see if other known working subs play, check for the continuity of the fuses. A blown or damaged fuse will cause amps to do some weird things.

Please back this up with something (proof) we can see. I know they're a bitch to tune, I know, I run a 3-way front end and it's a nightmare. Are you saying that a 3-way isn't a good idea in a car, or that running a 3-way PASSIVELY isn't a good idea as apposed to running it actively?

Xovers are all coils and caps. The speaker that is hooked to it could care less as long as the crossover freq and slope allow it to play in its range. Some xovers might be designed to tame an output, like the tweeter, because their tweeter might be to harsh, but other then that it doesn't matter. Some sort of tweeter protection might also be added to the mix. One thing you have to look at is the ohm of the speakers being used as that will change the xover point. People all the time, esp in the 90's, used MB Quart musicomp xovers for various drivers not of their own with 0 problems.

SoundStream Tarantula, what model??

Our trucks suck in the mid range area, it's the doors. You'll need to build a sealed pod for the mid in order for it to appear. You can fit an 8" behind the grille, directly on the door. You can fit a 5 1/4" above that on the door panel. I know a guy that has his that way. I have a 6 1/2" in there that I'm going to build a sealed pod for this summer, 3" mid + 1" tweet in the A-pillar. The 3"/1" xover is done via passive. The xover between the 6 1/2" & 3" is active. So I'm passively active.

Look for a few 8" subs, like DD 9512, JL 8w7, TREO SSi8. A single 8 from these will do. You can make a baffle to fit over the 12" opening and put the 8" sub in there. At that air space you could even port it for an 8". TREO's TSX line would do good in that size box too.

Unless you're after all out SPL, there's no gain to be had running something bigger then 12 gauge.

Generally it's ~100Hz to 500Hz. But he is correct, As far as I know, there is no "set in stone" range.

Remove the amp and hook it up directly to the battery just to the amps +/-. Does it turn on? If it doesn't then jump a wire from the + to the rem. Does it now turn on? That will tell you if it's the amp or in your wiring.

I don't know if I did this yet or not so.... 1- 33 2- 1992 3- A friend had two 12" Lanzar pro subs, had to have them too. 4- Orange w/Black, I don't have a single fav color 5- Male 6- '81 Honda Accord hatch 8- Denim 9- HU>Clarion 6770, fronts> Quart 6 1/2" coax's, Amp1> Urban Audio 2ch/amp2 Lanzar LRX200, subs> two 12" Lanzar Pros, Xover> Jensen 11- Lafayette, IN 12- Phoenix Gold 15- ? Cabe Sipes of pimp my ride < went to school with him or Dave Jennings. IDK????? 16- Clarion DRZ9255, Dynaudio 362, Phoenix Golds new amps> (2)Ti600.4 & Ti2500.1, Audio Control DQS, TREO SSi12.22 17- Cars are for PU$$!#$, 2006 GMC Sierra Denali, if I HAD to pick a car, IDK, SLR McLaren, Porsche's new hybrid, something Ferrari, or the Vectron. 18- '92 GMC Typhoon 19- Sound Check < local store and ebay 20- Fired for forgetting my ID badge twice in a 2 yr period, from Wabash National Semi Trailer manu. as a welder 21- If you hate something, don't you do it too- Pear Jam 24- GMC, I don't do cars 25- Trucks 29- A new bed for my son 31- ?? Don't know to many on here. 32- 138.X, I'm set up for SQ, there's more to music then just bass. Current set up. 33- See #32

The new Ti line will have something of similar performance. If room allows in my truck, I'll be getting a Ti800.4 and the Ti2500.1, if not then it'll be the Ti600.4 and the Ti2500.1 Sup Denim!?

The sundowns are nice. Heard 4 of them and loved them. Another brand of shallow that I love is Clarions.

I know you do. When I go to car audio shows, I represent! PG baby! Boy Denim, you sure do know how to confuse. Denim was replying to the post I made about describing myself and the shirt I was wearing. I went to school w/a guy named Ashley too. He was a wrestler and beat me in a match, 9 to 6.

Yea I was there. I didn't realize you were there. That suck. Could've met in person for the first time. If you saw a guy wearing a white T that had the PG logo on the back and said phoenixphorum.com, that was me. I was just there yesterday, wife told me to go . I didn't know they knew you that well. My truck was parked across the street at ardvark where we weren't supposed to park next to the semi trailer that was at the loading dock. For the comp I helped set up and spent most of the time sitting in the install bay that was open and next to or ON Coopers truck. I don't know if you saw the #14 camping chair there, that was mine. Tony Stewart baby! Hotdog eating contest for the kids

The next time I see Andy I'll try and gather the info and send it along. But yes I'm serious. The one thing I despise it someone that posts false content. Andy uses Sundown amps as well as two other of his friends/competitors and they all have been docked pts for noise in the system and they traced it back to the amps in all 3 cases. He was talking about getting some new amps but didn't know what brands to go w/yet.

Been using Audio Control for over 15 yrs and though I had a break from them a while back, I'm once again using them. Their products are top notch and their customer support, though a bit rough around the edges, took care of the repair issue at hand. It was my fault, I shorted out the grounding trace in my DQS when a live speaker wire grounded out to the chassis of the truck.

He states he already has the Pyramid amp lying around so $$ wasn't spent this time around for that amp. To the original Q, yes you can do it, but do yourself a favor and get a 0 dB test tone at ~60Hz and set a DMM to VAC and take a reading on the amp at the amps speaker terminals and see what the voltage is per ch. Sense the rear 2 chs on that amp share the same gain pot, if the reading is more then .5 VAC between the two chs then DO NOT run it this way.

A friend competes SQ in ???MECAi???? and he and a few others use sundown amps and they're getting docked points for noise. It's been traced down to be the amps. They might have good xovers, but they're "noisy". He's switching them out soon. W/what I don't know. If you ever get the chance to swing over to Lafayette, IN and go to Sound Check. See what they suggest. I'm biased to PG so that's what I'd say to use, but for good reasons. I'll have to look into that clarion HU.

Just because some people said they like a 3-way doesn't mean that's what you're going to like. Tuning is going to be a real b!tch. I'm currently doing a 3-way in my truck, but I'm after the "perfect" sound stage, if there is such a thing? I myself am thinking about going back to a 2-way. Another option would be to get a 4"/1" comp set and use that as the mid/tweet in a 3-way. You'd use the passive xover that came w/the set to xover those and get a dedicated mid and use the xover on the amp/s you chose to get. That's how I did it. A good SQ amp that will do what you want would be an older Phoenix Gold ZX450. You can bandpass the rear channels and even though it's rated at 75 x4, most have benched in the 110 x 4 range and have lots of headroom. A friend of mine competes in SQ in ???? MECAi ??? and he, along w/a few others that run Sundown amps, are getting docked points due to noise in the sytem. After trouble shooting and amp switching, they've found it's the amps. I know you said you're not competing, but it's worth thinking about.

Dude, I live there. My nick name there is "Tony Fu@k!ng Stewart". Their old installer (Eric) called me that because every time I would show up I was wearing Stewart apparel. Lucky me, the wife kicks me out and tells me to go there just about every Tuesday. I hang out at the one on Farabee, not the newer one on the corner of SR 26 and Creasy. So if you ever go there and state the name in that EXACT way, they'll know. LMK

Chop, you better drive up here to Lafayette and let me help you build that. I've always wanted to build one. Maybe we can learn together. So, how ya been?

Dynaudio System 240 MKII active, not passive. That damn poly-silicon switch., that's why I bypassed the passive and went active.

1- 33 yrs old 2- April '92 3- 2 friends had stereos in their cars and loved it 4- Orange. 5- Male 6- '82 Honda Accord Hatchback 5 spd manual 7- fu@ker can't count 8- Another member, Denim 9- HU:Clarion 6770, Urban Audio 2 ch amp for Infinity 5 1/4" coaxs in the doors, LANZAR LXR200 for 2 LANZAR 12" Pro series subs 10- fu@ker still can't count 11- Lafayette, IN 12- To many to name just one: Phoenix Gold, Clarion, Eclipse, and old LANZAR 13- superstitious fu@ker still can't count 14- learn to count 15- ? about SSA, but mine is Dave Jennings 16- HU: Clarion DRZ9255, (3) Phoenix Gold ZPA0.3 for the 3-way front end by peerless, (2) Phoenix Gold ZPA0.5 for the subs, Subs my 2 TREO SSi12.22, My Audio Control DQS 17- CAR???? WTF? '05 GMC Sierra Denali 18- Tony Stewart's Yellow Ferrari 19- Ebay, Sound Check in Lafayette, IN 20- unemployed, was an Aluminum welder til they fired me for forgetting my ID badge. 21- "if you hate something, don't you do it too"- Pearl Jam 22- learn to fu@king count! 23- really, learn to count 24- Cars- Chevy for the most part, truck- GMC 25- TRUCKS! 26-make chicken scratches if you run out of toes 27- go back to school! 28- I think I just got dumberer 29- Ashley Force 1/24 diecast car 30- Open your farkin eyes man, leave her alone, now go wash the mace off and put 30 in here. 31- Denim, he's also the only one I know here. 32- 138.3- HU:Eclipse CD8455, Audio Control DQS for line driver purposes, Phoenix Gold BassCube, Phoenix Gold ZPA0.5 x1 @ 2 ohms to 2 TREO SSi12.22 12"s- And I'm set up for SQ! 33- SQ!, there's more to the music then just 30-50 Hz bass.