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M5, I am not concerned over whether or not you think I "Cower & Cry", or if I don't answer your questions. My customers are taken care of 100% and I did answer in that thread. I am glad you have enough time in the day to waste though worrying about things like this...I assure you SKAR is doing quite well and whether or not you claim your defamation is intentional or not, we both know that you just don't like the brand - which is fine - but also the reason you were instructed you were are not allowed to post in the SKAR section a bit ao,... because clearly other people on this forum see you also wasting your time trying to stir up problems with a company that you have no interest in, etc. So instead of actually answering the question at hand with numbers and real world answers you just zone in on M5's post, your beef/bash with him, and bring up your CS skillz? I don't see anyone stirring up problems, people just want answers. It's easy to give them, believing you did test them at the "real" power. The real numbers will be posted as soon as I am able to do so...I want to make sure they are properly clamped and I am in the middle of a move into a new warehouse. I am not going to clamp them for true results in my personal Ford Five Hundred. That was just done for a ball park idea originally. The sheet specs will do just fine for the interm week... What worries me the most is that you obviously don't understand the uselessness of clamp results, especially how they relate to rated power specifications, or you do understand the difference and are perfectly happy to mislead your customer base into purchasing one of your products. And before anyone else mentions it, yes companies like Sundown also report clamp results on their forum. But if you notice, Jacob is always very careful of how he words the information provided. He never refers to it as anything more than it is; his clamp results. I've never seen him use them as proof that his amps are underrated, or seen him refer to them as "actual higher numbers", real output, etc. People mistake them for that. But I've never seen Jacob represent them as such. Skar, on the other hand, is apparently planning on releasing these clamp results as proof of their "actual higher numbers!" compared to rated power. It would be nearly impossible to find a more inaccurate description of clamp results. It would be even more difficult to find any reputable amplifier manufacturer who doesn't understand the usefulness (or lack thereof) of clamp results and who would mislabel them as "actual higher numbers!". It essentially puts Skar on equal footing with the Pyramids of the world. The fact you consistently delete posts out of your forum that you either can't answer or won't answer is the complete opposite of the principles of this forum. The members here take great pride in the fact SSA is different from other forums because information isn't filtered. People are free to disagree and question without retaliation. Unfortunately, that ended when you got a subforum. Being a vendor on this forum, you not only represent Skar but you also represent SSA. Your actions not only reflect poorly upon yourself and your business, but also upon Mark, Aaron and the great members of this forum. The reason Skar catches so much shit is because of your consistent display of childish, unprofessional and unscrupulous actions along with a past that you can not deny is shady as hell. Your present actions under Skar don't seem to show that you've changed much over time. As Dr. Phil always says; the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I think you realize all of this to be true, you just don't give a shit and would rather carry on about your typical ways.

That leads to 3 questions: 1) What are these "actual higher results"? 2) What was the test methodology for determining these "actual higher results"? 3) Why is the amplifier not rated at the "actual higher results" if that is the level of their true performance and you're just going to add a disclaimer that the rated power is less than their actual power anyways?

i have been talking about getting this piece for a while now. Our family has been blessed with me getting some decent hours in, so here it is..... my new SSA ZCON tattoo. i hope all of my fellow team mates fromTeam SSA like it. Chop repping SSA proudly 24/7 !!!!!! the picture i wanted the profile from. the pattern.... the gun being used, outline finished, looking good.....it was time to start letting the cat out of the bag, text sent to Aaron! lol

I waited a little under a month ad it was WELL worth the wait. You have to know that they are BUSINESS days.. that does not include holidays or weekends.

thanks fellas, i have thought about adding the ssa logo into the piece as well, it is a nice font and will stand out well for sure. yup, it is on my shin, below my knee. ssa addict, love it!!! that would be a cool bar to have. nah lil bro, this is the real deal....@ denim today is Regina and my 19 yr. anniversary, last night she went to the casino and i went and got a tatt.....today we will hang out all day together. good times in my life right now, i am truly blessed.

Customer service is the upmost importance for SSA, making sure they are here to answer questions and supply new info. Always been great at CS, and always will be!!

starting to shade it in..... getting real hype by now! had plenty of little puns going through this..... my favorite two were, "stay tuned" and "does it hz"? Mark was in on the project via text as well by now. made it that much cooler to sorta have them there as it was being finished up. i have another session on it, but i am already super happy with it, i think it turned out awesome. if you cant tell too well it is on the front of my shin, below my knee.

Okay, so I'm finally getting a little something done on this. I'm working on completing the door baffles for the Bravox CS60K components so that I can get them installed then get the amp rack built and installed. Hopefully by then the last 8 will have sold and I'll have the XCON and it's PR's coming and a box getting built. Here's the first one with the back cut out. And the second Here they are side by side, and no the holes aren't done yet. I think I've said it many times before, but I love routers. They're versatile and handy tools without which many things in this hobby would be very difficult to build. If you don't have one, go buy yourself a couple, lol. Here's mine getting ready to clean up those cuts with a 1/2" x 1" flush trim router bit. Made this job EASY. It only took 5 minutes to rough cut the holes with the jig saw, it only took 2 minutes to clean them up. Here's the finished holes. I've got them hanging there for sealing purposes. I'm applying some polyurethane to help seal the MDF first. Then I'm going to be covering them with bed liner. That's it until I get the bed liner picked up.

clipping does not cause damage on its own. like i said above, there are only two ways to kill a woofer. some reading http://www.bcae1.com/2ltlpwr.htm http://www.bcae1.com/speakrat.htm

M5, I am not concerned over whether or not you think I "Cower & Cry", or if I don't answer your questions. My customers are taken care of 100% and I did answer in that thread. I am glad you have enough time in the day to waste though worrying about things like this...I assure you SKAR is doing quite well and whether or not you claim your defamation is intentional or not, we both know that you just don't like the brand - which is fine - but also the reason you were instructed you were are not allowed to post in the SKAR section a bit ao,... because clearly other people on this forum see you also wasting your time trying to stir up problems with a company that you have no interest in, etc. Is your world really that small? First off, I never said anything about not liking the brand. Personally could care less. I don't buy into brand boners, never have, never will and this works in both negative and positive directions. What I don't respect is lying, cheating, hiding, scamming and the like. My intentions are very simple. To call out any bullshit that happens in front of me so things are exposed for what they are. Please feel free to do that to me as I encourage that sort of openess out of everyone. Needless to say as the voice of Skar you are regularly hide, cheat, and misrepresent. Obviously I won't do business with you and would encourage everyone else to stop as well, unless you choose to straighten up and actually run your business like you care about your customers and stop the BS. i realize you see this as me embarrassing you again, but reap what you sow. I couldn't type anything if you weren't the one posting the junk that made this all possible. It truly is really simple. Either state the facts and back them up, or don't state stuff. Welcome to the world of internet business. You get to choose your destiny. One other clarification. I was NOT told I couldn't post in the Skar section. Surely can. Still have mod powers there. I was asked, because of your wee little man hood, if I would avoid posting in your section as a favor. My response was to say, sure, but that means I won't post in ANY non-topic section. Since then I've violated my own promise less than a couple times, but they were pretty off topic posts anyways. Your "clearly" is confused. There are no honest manufacturers on this board that have beef with me. They may not prefer that I wear my opinion out in public, but guess what, this is a forum. The most amusing thing is that you see me as trying to stir up problems. Not my goal. I have no gain nor intent for that purpose. Obviously you see it that way since a very informative and innocent question you take in a defensive manner because you are hiding something. Stop acting like a child and instead act like a company representative and you wouldn't at all see my posts that way. My responses have sold more gear for other manufacturers than you'll ever sell total, but that's right you know better. ROFL. Oh, and why do you think I'd personally give a shit whether Skar is doing "quite well"? Need to puff your chest up much? Pathetic.

M5, I am not concerned over whether or not you think I "Cower & Cry", or if I don't answer your questions. My customers are taken care of 100% and I did answer in that thread. I am glad you have enough time in the day to waste though worrying about things like this...I assure you SKAR is doing quite well and whether or not you claim your defamation is intentional or not, we both know that you just don't like the brand - which is fine - but also the reason you were instructed you were are not allowed to post in the SKAR section a bit ao,... because clearly other people on this forum see you also wasting your time trying to stir up problems with a company that you have no interest in, etc. So instead of actually answering the question at hand with numbers and real world answers you just zone in on M5's post, your beef/bash with him, and bring up your CS skillz? I don't see anyone stirring up problems, people just want answers. It's easy to give them, believing you did test them at the "real" power. The real numbers will be posted as soon as I am able to do so...I want to make sure they are properly clamped and I am in the middle of a move into a new warehouse. I am not going to clamp them for true results in my personal Ford Five Hundred. That was just done for a ball park idea originally. The sheet specs will do just fine for the interm week...

M5, I am not concerned over whether or not you think I "Cower & Cry", or if I don't answer your questions. My customers are taken care of 100% and I did answer in that thread. I am glad you have enough time in the day to waste though worrying about things like this...I assure you SKAR is doing quite well and whether or not you claim your defamation is intentional or not, we both know that you just don't like the brand - which is fine - but also the reason you were instructed you were are not allowed to post in the SKAR section a bit ao,... because clearly other people on this forum see you also wasting your time trying to stir up problems with a company that you have no interest in, etc. Mr. Kevin, I just have one question, what happen to my post? I'm really confused here because I was actually interested in your products and for no reason, that is apparent, my post has simply vanished as I was only curious in what real world power are these amps capable of. Could you please help me understand the reasoning for avoiding my question as I don't see anything wrong with my post? I ask all the time of other vendors/manufactures what I may expect in real world scenarios and never have I seen my post vanish before. In regards, Senchez

Quit deleting posts and answer the questions.

Can you wait for the release of the FCON? Filling the gap between the DCON and ICON with a 600w power rating and are right up the alley on the power of that amp.

Moofs said in another thread that he had also asked Kevin similar questions several times and never received a response. I suppose given the fact Kevin originally deleted my post shortly after I posted it (and he is not the one who restored it), that he doesn't intend to give an answer. I thought the answers would have been pretty easy to provide. Guess I was wrong and he was instead trying to hide the fact I even asked by deleting my post?

Make sure to triple check your work! It can make a huge difference if you make a silly mistake.

Couple comparison pictures. Getting voltage/install video put together. May get it finished today. Need to go mow a lawn and make a couple bucks!

It's official. Anyone crazy enough to not modify the door panel to get the mid out from behind it is wasting their money, especially if they have spent big $$$ on quality components. As the pictures indicate above I removed the factory grilles from the door panels so that I can get the mid out from behind the panel with the MDF baffles (still under construction). I drive the truck for an hour everyday to and from work so I get a fair amount of road time listening to it. Immediately noticeable was that the sound stage was up off the floor. It used to sound like almost all instruments were playing below the dash primarily and they also sounded stifled. With the factory grilles out of the way the sound stage has risen up to the top of the dash and every instrument, especially the guitars and vocals, no longer sounds like it's being forced through the wall of a cardboard box. The most impressive difference I noticed was in the response of the components. The PG RSD's have been known for some time as some very good budget components. Mostly due to how loud they can get and still sound decent, especially for the money. I noticed that they seemed to have a bit of a peaky response in the 1.5khz to 3khz region and figured it had to do with the cheaper build nature of the set. I'm proud to say that the peak in the response seems to have been caused by reflections off the factory grilles causing some sort of odd order harmonic interaction. With the grilles gone the songs I used to turn down due to the ear splitting response now play just as smooth and defined as the rest. At any rate, anyone ever debating on building kick panels, door pods or any other custom modification that results in the speakers not being stuffed behind the door panels should stop thinking about it and do it. I never imagined the factory panels hurt the speakers response THIS bad. I mean, logic told me it had to have some affect but I never imagined it was this dramatic. Sorry for the rant guys, just excited.

M5, I am not concerned over whether or not you think I "Cower & Cry", or if I don't answer your questions. My customers are taken care of 100% and I did answer in that thread. I am glad you have enough time in the day to waste though worrying about things like this...I assure you SKAR is doing quite well and whether or not you claim your defamation is intentional or not, we both know that you just don't like the brand - which is fine - but also the reason you were instructed you were are not allowed to post in the SKAR section a bit ao,... because clearly other people on this forum see you also wasting your time trying to stir up problems with a company that you have no interest in, etc.