Why the hassle bro ... you all just like the drama ??? Why don't you go to one of their shows and see for your self instead of going by "What somebody said" ... Like I said earlier and getting my rep points docked for it just only proved my point ... These moderators are only wanting to discredit this build, and never hearing it before passing judgement ... It doesn't matter if its the enclosure, the vehicle setup, amps, electrical, or the music / tones they play ... They have a winning record to prove their setup works and some of these "Bookworms" can't seem to understand the concept ... Instead of being rude to people, M5 needs to contact these designers / system builders and get the specs (if they give them to him) over the phone rather than causing all this drama ... This place is getting worse than DIYMA ... Moderators are suppost to keep drama from happening in these threads ... All they do is feed fuel to the fire ... Dissapointing ... Me personally I don't care what this car sounds like. I just don't see anything from either sides. I am sick of everytime I log onto this site I see a new post in a couple of these threads. SSA is the best audio site period. We do not need this here.