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They are not designed to imitate the Illusion drivers -- they simply share the front mount motor idea

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The old NS v.1 is 1500-watts RMS ; the v.2 is 2000-watts RMS The Z v.3 will be 1500-watts RMS

I'd say a 1000-watt rating would be reasonable with the "NSQ" coil considering how effective the motor ventilation is -- but certainly not 2000 anymore

Awesome - glad the items made it okay !

The pre-order is for v.1 SA-8s with the newer frame style.

I have something special in the works for the v.2 of the SA-8 I decided that nothing I've tried yet makes me say "DAMN... that sure beats the first version hands down!" -- so I'm going farther with it before release. This will drive cost up... but IMO will be totally worth it. I may be able to bump power handling up to 600 RMS to match the other sizes of the SA series. Stay tuned.

I expect the Qts to be somewhere in the 0.35 to 0.45 range -- may take a couple tries on the spiders to nail it... but I'm shooting for a flexible sealed / ported capable driver with a pretty low Fs.

16mm / 8-layer copper

I really am not sure that something like this would sell at all but I sure as heck want one for my car :fing34:

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If the awesome factor is high enough I may even offer an "NSQ" woofer setup this way Of course it will be one of the worlds biggest, heaviest, and deepest SQ drivers *laughs*

http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/sundown-audio/90372-fun-little-sq-project-im-starting-today.html audioarsenal got really close so I let the cat out of the bag ! NS v.2 motor with added pole sleeve and underhung coil.

Just got off the phone with my local machine shop... looks like they can make the copper tube I need @ 75mm long x 74mm ID x 76mm OD Also looks like I can get a 77mm diameter coil former from Precision... and that I have a nifty motor here already in stock with a 40mm tall top plate. Can anyone guess what I'm doing ? Hint : When I'm done with the first one it's going in my daily driver.

Original discussion topics here : Sundown SD-2 Line Photos - Car Audio Classifieds Working on 500-watt Line w/ Reduced Depth - Car Audio Classifieds ---------- ETA for these to arrive is end of September to beginning of October. As always this is subject to production and transit delays so please be certain you are willing to wait before placing a pre-order; if you have ANY doubts please wait until they are in stock and shipping to order. Pre-order policy is no refunds due to delays. To order please PAYPAL to [email protected] and specify size / quantity / coil configuration or contact your favorite online or local dealer; they can contact us for details if necessary as this is a new product. DO NOT send payments as a gift or through any means that does not include an address unless you note the address in comments. PRICING : Shipped in the CONTINENTAL USA -- please contact for AK and HI orders. This pre-sale is only in the USA; for international orders contact your local distributor. If your country does NOT have a distributor contact us for a shipping quote. From now until the end of July SD-2 12" D2 / D4 $125 each SD-2 10" D2 / D4 $115 each From August 1st until arrival SD-2 12" D2 / D4 $135 each SD-2 10" D2 / D4 $125 each REGULAR COST: SD-2 12" - $160 SD-2 10" - $150 ---------- SD-2 12" Measured Mounting Depth = 5.25" SD-2 10" Measured Mounting Depth = 4.75" PICTURES: * Quite a bit less depth than the SA series for depth restricted applications. VIDEOS: Little bit of testing while breaking it in. Could not break it... part II uploading now as well. Seriously... still couldn't break it. For reference the power meter reads KW -- so 0.82 is 820 watts. ---------- SPECS : The specs before break-in period are as follows as measured by the factory (Fs and Qts drop with break-in for reference) : SD-2 10" D4 : Fs: 39.7 Hz Re: 8.0 ohms Qms: 5.45 Qes: 0.56 Qts: 0.52 Cms: 0.09 mm/N Mms: 178 g BL: 24.7 NA Vas: 13.8 L Sens: 83.5 dB 1w/1m Le: 4.06 mH SD-2 10" D2 : Fs: 36.7 Hz Re: 4.0 ohms Qms: 5.51 Qes: 0.48 Qts: 0.45 Cms: 0.10 mm/N Mms: 184 g BL: 18.7 NA Vas: 15.6 L Sens: 83.9 dB 1w/1m Le: 2.69 mH SD-2 12" D4 : Fs: 38.8 Hz Re: 8.0 ohms Qms: 6.18 Qes: 0.69 Qts: 0.62 Cms: 0.09 mm/N Mms: 195 g BL: 23.5 NA Vas: 31.7 L Sens: 86.1 dB 1w/1m Le: 4.14 mH SD-2 12" D2 : Fs: 36.8 Hz Re: 4.0 ohms Qms: 6.06 Qes: 0.58 Qts: 0.53 Cms: 0.08 mm/N Mms: 225 g BL: 18.9 NA Vas: 30.2 L Sens: 86.0 dB 1w/1m Le: 2.63 mH

I haven't put one back together... we have Taco and Paco testing all the SA subs in stock currently to get them all together.

Nightshade line has a higher motor force, more linear x-max, and a bit more maximum thermal power handling.

The are sold out for now -- but can be ordered early if you like. You could e-mail Aaron or Mark.

Hey guys -- our Z v.2 line is now SOLD OUT. If you have a super emergency need for one I can dig up some used motors from our legendary "sea of woofers" in the top secret back room... but as for new that is it for them! People that have *already* ordered them or already asked me should be good but no new sales will be available unless a used motor will do. Z v.3 motors are coming in with the next container of SA woofers and SD-2 woofers in ~90 days... we will be doing final assembly here in Troutman, NC for at least several hundred units. I am pleased with the legacy of the Z v.2 line -- we actually sold more of these than the Nightshade v.1 line (seems like everyone has had or does have an NS v.1) with much more sales going to local dealers and customers outside of the Team. I think the Z v.3 line will be another good step in the right direction for what out customers are asking for out of a 1500-watt daily woofer

You will have a flatter overall response with the SA-12 sealed. Of course Pink Floyd and Styx don't really have a ton of bass to being with -- so you'll need to use the sub control on your HU or amp remote gain knob to boost those songs up.

We are working out the coil details still -- making it longer than the original is going to be challenging for a D1 coil

Some initial NS-1 testing in Brandon's truck -- we haven't gone in depth yet to see if we can squeeze more out of it; just a quick initial test before we head home today. Best clamp was 6090 watts @ 1.3 ohm actual @ 12.1 volts actual using my Extech True RMS power clamp meter about 6-8 seconds into the tone to avoid picking up initial spikes. I think we have more left in it - more testing to come as we get it dialed in a bit! 380976 - Single Phase/Three Phase 1000A AC Power Clamp Meter : This is the clamp I use here for product testing. You will find it reads much lower than using two normal clamp meters separately for voltage and current as this meter was made to measure power. So not directly comparable to any other testing but my own with the same clamp.

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Pre-ordering will open soon on these guys! Who is excited ?

The same box will do fine for them.