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Same here I am expecting some parts to be rolling out within a week or two.

If you have a strapped pair the slave will be the first to protect in most instances as well. May need to un-strap if you are on the edge of a protection condition. The new box may have a lower rising impedance curve.

You can e-mail Brandon at [email protected]

Nice looking box !

I don't know - where did you order from ? If from SSA contact them via email.

The can be built with an NS v.1 coil and several different spiders.

* TS Specs * Thermal Test * Motor * Build Process * 156.1 with one 15" NS v.2

Lots of other projects took priority over more NS v.2 motors but they came back to the top this week -- so the new ETA for more motors is end of May. Of course I'd rather product not be out of stock this long but we invested alot in amps to get around the MOSFET shortage so the NS v.2 had to take a back seat for bit.

To order a re-cone e-mail [email protected] -- do not e-mail my "sundownz" address if you need a quick response.To reduce back-and-forth e-mails ALWAYS include the following : 1) What you are ordering -- Model, Coil Configuration, Etc. 2) If you already have a basket or not; please check below for any special notes. 3) If you need ANY custom options please specify up front. 4) !!! YOUR ADDRESS AND NAME !!! 5) A picture of what you have goes a long way to be SURE we are talking about the same thing. IT WILL TAKE, ON AVERAGE, 10-14 days for a built item like a drop-in to be completed. ---------- EDIT 8/30/11 : WE CANNOT WARRANTY DIY RE-CONE ASSEMBLY ISSUES. Read and understand this -- if you are not 110% sure about re-coning the driver ask us or send it in. We can ONLY stand behind labor that we perform. Manufacturing defects in the kit itself are of course our responsibility but installation is 100% the customer responsibility. This includes ticking, broken parts, etc. Thanks for the understanding. ---------- This thread over-rides any prior quotes or costs -- I sat down and really calculated the numbers this morning and costs may have varied in the past on estimates. These prices are the same for everyone; Team, dealer, customer, etc. All costs + SH charges. ---------- KITS DO NOT include shims or glue. White paper trimmed / stacked to spec works perfectly for shimming -- use enough where it is snug but not so tight you can barely get the coil in the gap. For glue we suggest Loc-Tite 5-minute epoxy with mixing tubes to glue the spider to the frame (MAKE SURE to sand it first) and we suggest Amazing Goop or E6000 for the surround and dust cap (sand frame for surround and rough up the glue surface of the dust cap with sand paper as well). These can be purchased from Lowes or Home Depot very commonly and some Wal-Mart and Craft Stores. We can sell CA glue by request but it typically is not very cost effective for the end user. ---------- MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price E8 v.2 (or v.1) -- $28.00 -- $5.00 * D2 / D4 available Stock * MUST buy basket to re-cone a v.1 model E8 v.3 -- $30.00 -- $5.00 * D2 / D4 Available E-10 -- $35 -- $10 E-12 -- $35 -- $10 E-15 -- $45 -- $10 * D2 / D4 Available !!!FOR SA-8 KITS SEE THIS THREAD TO DETERMINE WHAT MODEL YOU HAVE. WE MUST HAVE THIS INFO TO MAKE THE CORRECT KIT!!! SA-8 v.1 or v1.5 -- $32.00 -- $10.00 * MUST SPECIFY v.1 or v1.5 when ordering !!! * D2 / D4 available Stock * CCAW 4-layer D2 or D4 SPL Coils Available No Extra Charge (these are lighter but can still be used daily as the gap is not tighter than stock) * These kits now ship standard with a round lead wire that is more rugged SA-8 v.2 -- $50.00 -- $15.00 * D2 / D4 available Stock * SA-8 v.2 Kits Available with SPL 8-layer D1 Coil for $20.00 Extra (Very tight gap and may tick slightly at high excursion) * CCAW 4-layer D2 or D4 SPL Coils Available No Extra Charge (these are lighter but can still be used daily as the gap is not tighter than stock) * Extra Spiders Available for $5.00 Extra Each for a MAX of FIVE (stock is two); DO NOT order extra spiders for anything but SPL SD-2 8 -- $40.00 -- $15.00 * D4 Coils ONLY SD-2 10 -- $35.00 -- $15.00 SD-2 12 -- $35.00 -- $18.00 * D2 / D4 available SA-10 -- $40.00 -- $15.00 SA-12 -- $40.00 -- $18.00 SA-15 -- $50.00 -- $21.00 * SA-10/12/15 add $20.00 for SPL Coils (D1,D2,D4) * D2 / D4 available in stock opper NSv1 12 -- $100.00 -- $25.00 NSv1 15 -- $110.00 -- $30.00 NSv1 18 -- $120.00 -- $40.00 * 3H Nightshade Spiders Stock * Add $10.00 for double leads * Z v.3 Spider Available No Extra Charge * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $10 * D1 / D2 Available NSv2 12 -- $130.00 -- $25.00 NSv2 15 -- $140.00 -- $30.00 NSv2 18 -- $150.00 -- $40.00 * 3H Nightshade Spiders Stock * Add $10.00 for double leads * Z v.3 Spider Available No Extra Charge * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $10 * D1 / D2 Available (SPL COIL Available) Zv2 12 -- $100.00 -- $25.00 Zv2 15 -- $110.00 -- $30.00 Zv2 18 -- $120.00 -- $40.00 * Copper or Aluminum Coils Available * Z v.3 Spider Pack Now Standard (5/1/12) * MUST USE Z v.3 SPACER * Add $10 for NS v.3 Spider Pack * D1 / D2 Available Z v.3 10" -- $115.00 -- $20.00 Z v.3 12" -- $115.00 -- $25.00 Z v.3 15" -- $125.00 -- $30.00 Z v.3 18" -- $135.00 -- $40.00 * D1 / D2 Available (SPL COIL Available) * Add $10 for NS v.3 Spider Pack or "Traditional" 3H NS Pack * The 10/12 models use a different coil than the 15/18 models * The SPL coil can ONLY be used on the 10/12 with the "Traditional" 3H NS Pack !!!! IMPORTANT NOTE : YOU MUST USE OUR NEWEST 12-spoke 15" FRAMES TO USE THE Z v.3 OR NS v.3 SPIDER PACKS !!!! They are 8 3/8" spiders and require a modified top landing. The other spiders for 10/12 and the 18 are compatible with any 12-spoke / 6-spoke that I am aware of. Also -- the NS cone will NOT be offered on ANY drivers with a v.3 style spider pack in 15s or 18s. The v.3 spiders (Z v.3 and NS v.3) can exceed the mechanical limits of the NS style cones in these sizes. ----------- NEW PLATFORM PRODUCTS (Basket Prices are WITH the purchase of a SUNDOWN product re-cone) : MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price X-10 -- $130.00 -- $70.00 X-12 -- $135.00 -- $80.00 X-15 -- $140.00 -- $95.00 X-18 -- $155.00 -- $40.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter * D2 and D4 Coils Available (CCAW Round Wire) * Add $10.00 for Z v.4 Stiffness Spider * Add $20.00 for NS v.3 Stiffness Spider Z v.4 10 -- $150.00 -- $70.00 Z v.4 12 -- $155.00 -- $80.00 Z v.4 15 -- $160.00 -- $95.00 Z v.4 18 -- $175.00 -- $40.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter * D1 and D2 Coils Available * Softer X Spider Available - NO EXTRA CHARGE * Add $10.00 for NS v.3 Stiffness Spider NS v.3 10 -- TBA NS v.3 12 -- TBA NS v.3 15 -- TBA NS v.3 18 -- TBA * -- Both the X and Z v.4 kits / Frames can be retrofit into the NS v.1, NS v.2, and Z v.3 motors; these motors cannot handle the FULL capacity of the new soft parts so a hard bottom is possible. ** -- SPL kits are in development with a different cone and spider type. Pricing is TBA on those. *** -- The Z v.2 motor bolt pattern is compatible with the new platforms as well but we do not suggest it as it has a limited amount of rearward travel (41mm). Baskets WITHOUT a Re-Cone Kit (With Gasket and Terminals) : 10" -- $90 12" -- $100 15" -- $115 + SH * The new baskets are BOLT PATTERN compatible with any of our 3" coil motors to-date. They use the standard 127mm pattern so can be used on MANY other products.

* v.2 on right -- newest v.1 spider on left * v.2 on right -- newest v.1 spider on left * Original v.1 on left -- newest v.1 on right * Original v.1 on left -- v.2 on right Deeper rolls on the v.2 plus a new material composition. I need to do a little more work on stiffness (softer) for production but I am very happy with the roll itself.

v.2 is only for the 8" right now -- it will be some time to work on the v.2 other sizes.

We've shown a few pictures of the new frame... this is the first peek at the newly tooled and designed spider. I designed this spider based on all the information gathered during testing of the v.1 model -- this is our own spider design / tool where the other two spider versions from the v.1 were simply the best readily available roll profiles. IMO... this roll is FAR superior and should show in testing -- which will likely be coming on Friday. One thing that should be noticed quickly is the massive reduction in mechanical noises from the new spider -- MUCH quieter all the way up until we run out of frame clearance; which I do in the video when you hear the tick sound. These are due in the summer... likely mid June or so. Until then we'll have the v.1 model available unless we sell out before then

Got alot done today -- it's getting there

Most of today will be a dedicated moving day -- we have been doing just a little at a time up to now but we are spending a solid day of it today. So shipping and e-mails will likely be delayed a day.

Both the 8" and 10" have a very similar frequency response -- which is quite usable from 50 to 5000 Hz -- after 5k you have a gradual drop off. If they are to be played at high power I would of course suggest a 24 dB crossover slope at around 60-80 Hz -- if a large array of drivers is used this could be lowered as each driver will need to move less. If only a couple are used and it is desired to keep up with a huge system I would go fro a ~80-100 Hz crossover point. --- Production should complete first of March -- so that puts them early April in stock.

None... but I will update soon with some other items.

I got both of my SA-12's from FedEx today... You couldnt tell there was a glue smear on either of them... I seriously dont even know why you would call them B-stock... they are truly in perfect condition... We are very particular on QC checking.

It is currently for sale with most of the gear removed : FS 160+DB Explorer

It probably isn't there -- we still have several additions to make and tweaking. Meant to get on it right after the site went live but we've been super busy since.

I thought about making a small run for Hank's build and enough to make them legal -- but he changed plans. When I move to the SA v.2 I will re-visit the idea (probably next year).

Glad to see customers doing real comparisons as well !

SA 12 swap out from Treo TSX - SMD Forum Originally posted by kr15 on my SMD Forum : (All italics text posted by kr15) Summary : 1.2 dB up with the SA-12 ----- Well I have an SA 12 in the mail from Jacob. I am currently running a Tsx at 2ohm on a MBQ 1500d, so 800rms or so. The Treo is in an optimal box for TSX specs. The SA will also be in an optimal box. This is in a trunk car...When sub gets here and after I break it in some, I will post numbers from the swap. Both subs will have recieved 800rms, and both subs will have been in enclosures made to specs so I feel the comparison is pretty fair. The TSX is only rated at 400rms, but thats a joke. It has a 2.5inch coil and nice motor structure/soft parts etc, so even tho the SA specs out better on paper, the TSX isnt your standard 400w driver so I feel that the comparison is fair here as well.. I plan to meter both subs and music and tones, I will state those numbers and also compare them based on my thoughts of the SQ of the two. I will post a video as well.. And just for fun, a Flex team mate has offered to use his SAZ 3k to see what we can do. The Treo might go up in smoke (hope we get a vid), but the SA should handle it... I predict the SA to do 139 on music and 140 on a tone. The Treo is about 138 on music, Im not sure about on a tone. So I expect about a 1db gain from the SA...we shall see. And a Thanks to Jacob for supplying me with an item for my addiction ----- Got my package today, and I must say that this thing is impressive....I think the "600w" rating on this thing may be a bigger line of bullshit then the "max" ratings on Lanzar amps (which we all know is the biggest single falsehood in car audio)...You might be more likely to actually get 4000w out of one of those lanzar amps then you would be to damage this sub on 600w...Heck of a product Jacob..."Entry Line" my ass...lol ----- This thing is amazing Jacob. Fresh out of the box, not even broken in, suspension still stiff as hell and in a box that is spec'd for the Treo, this sub is definately louder and probabley has better SQ then the Treo. You have officially converted me from Treo...I am having a box built to the specs you emailed me based on my power and goals by a teammate and we will TL it that day, hopefully in a week or 2. I will post up results and a video. Sundown! FTW! Here are some comparison pics. 2 very overbuilt subs, the Treo being a "400w" driver and the SA a "600w" driver ----- Ok, finally some numbers for you guys....in a direct swap out, the sundown was 1.2db louder then the treo was on music...the treo had done a 137.9, the sa did a 139.1...on a tone, 51hz (my cabin peak ), the sundown did a 140.3 this was done at the headrest. I literally dropped the Sundown into the box the treo was in and have made no adjustments....Once I make a box for the sundown, i will update the numbers... -----

At 1 ohm rising to 2 ohms I got 50% more power from the SAX-1200D

I am sure Derrick could help you out -- he goes by Derrick824 on the forums.

To answer the original question : Many customers run 3000Ds on BTLs and have done so for years. You would be in the market for electrical upgrades to sustain 3kw of power, though.