Corey

Don't you mean 1.2? And how much do those maxxlinks go for?

Which doesn't mean he knows everything about car audio. One of the loudest guys in the US in Street dB drag got there by "guess and test" over many many years. Yes, his numbers are awesome... doesn't mean he knows everything about audio, just means he has lots of patience and dedication. Nothing wrong with that... but you get the idea. Which guy in the us are you talking about?

Well he is the loudest street C competitor in canada.

I don't really like usac but when the mic is in the kick its usually louder than at the dash like in db drag.

Change XXX with MT or BTL.

I wouldn't see a BTL in many extreme class applications.

You should build a new box as wide as you can, and move the subs as far over to the passenger side as you can, so you can have more port area.

ridiculous and illogical? the test numbers posted for the sundown 1500d were done so by someone on THEIR payroll. Similar to how the DD Z1 puts out 6000 rms on soundpressure.com. Except morons actually believe it because the sundown amp is a lot more affordable. A strapped pair of 1500d's has been tested to be 2.5db below a z1. And generally the z1s are known to put out a real world wattage in the 2000-3000 watt range depending on voltage drop, box rise etc. So in REALITY which amp is better dollar per watt? Sundown amps might be decent for beginners but I dont understand what their claim to fame is about running at 0.5 ohm daily. There are probably 100 other amps in the world that can do this no problem. And make more power. If you want to buy sundown go ahead....but dont pick up a lump of chit and try to tell people its gold. numbers, links, video....noone here is jsut about talk. provide proof, or shut up. two people have posted either pics or vids of the sundown porduct doing it's thing. where is this z1 beating the strapped 1500s? speaking of what you know nothing about, and or rumors, will only get your e-ass rung through a ringer. the man has spoken and provided proof. what do you have? wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee why would they take pics and video of a test that wasnt even close? And one that confirmed what was already 99% believe that the sundown amp doesnt put out anywhere near the power claimed. If i raced a stock vw bug against a corvette would I have to take pics and video for you to believe the corvette one? Id be willing to test 8 sundown 1500d's against my 4 memphis 4kw amps on a limited battery system but that would be a waste of time for me because I know my score would go down. But id be sure to take countless pics and videos so you guys believed it. The person that did the test by the way was Yuli Shumsky (sp?) from ontario canada. Hes been finals a few times now. Termlab doesnt lie....and let me tell you 2.5 db difference isnt just a couple hundred watts. why would you take video/pictures? proof. plain and simple. nothing more, nothing less. is it really that hard to understand? and to use your racing analogy, look how many videos are on youtube, ebaum and whatever hosting site you can think of, of modified cars whooping up on stock ones. and it's the kids in the modified ones doing the filming. memphis 4kws? at least pick an amp that lives to tell the tale afterwards. i'd wager, strongly, the 8 sundowns would put a very large ass whooping on the 4kws. how do i know? first, i work for memphis dealer. EVERY, and i mean EVERY 4kw we have sold, has gone in for warranty work at least twice. and while most have probably not heard of yuli shumsky, i work with james herren. street a world champ 3 years ago. he lost world finals 2 years ago due to, GASP, memphis 4kws dieing on him. he has a FULL memphis sponsorship, and won't touch a memphis product. he had 4 4kws before they were available to the public. each one died, again, at least twice. one from jsut hooking it up. the only chance the memphis has is at 16volts+. and even then, the sundowns can run there as well.... yep, you take your memphis stuff. i'll take the sundown. and yep, the termlab doesn't lie. by then again, you have yet to provide anything, anywhere, other then words to back up your claims. jacob has posted what his amp will do. let's see what the z1 can. so put up or shut up. don't diss something if you can't provide proof of it's asswhooping. i mean hell, if the z1 really did that, and you post proof, you might just inspire jacob to take sundown to an even higher level. and how many times does jacob have to answer the question about loyd and payroll? and who in the fudge ever heard of anybody on caraudio.com payroll? maybe your living in a cave. that is such absolute horsechit, lol. thanks for the laugh of the day bro. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee What I found humurous is that stevew007 pulled a 151.2 with 2x 9510's and 2x 1500D's strapped. At the FX DBDrag, they were amazed that "Rob V.o" pulled a 152.4 with 6k and 2 9512's. Looks to me that he should have been atleast 3db above with more cone and double power. First of all Rob uses atomic APXs and is now doing 153.3, and how is that double the power when 2 1500Ds make more than 3k strapped?

Off 2 nsb 90s? Id like to see this happen.

What is LSQ anyways, either your system is SPL or SQ.

Theres only 3 people that I can think of that actually run DD amps out here. I wouldn't say the whole west coast is "drinking the DD koolaid".

Well we are talking about 2 amps vs 1, now a street A competitor would rather have 2 z1s than 2 1500Ds. But the 3000Ds are a whole different story.

I think its polyurethane glue. But it doesn't take long to clean a basket with an angle grinder and sanding disc.

I said it would be around the same power not more powerful. I know those amps very well your forgetting I'm a dealer for them ,and I sell them and install them.I have not actually tested the 1500 strapped. I'm simply using the test results off this forum. which I would hope to be somewhat accurate. Z1's or Z1a's? Testing against Z1's would be pointless since they don't have near the power of a Z1a. So your saying 1 z1 vs 2 1500Ds wouldn't be a fair test?

Well I know someone locally with sundown amps, and someone with z1s.

z1a is a completely different amp and theres no way 2 strapped 1500ds will do more power

i hear they don't work well at all Thats odd since the guy who is doing that here is doing 154+

Well thats what I was told when my leads broke.

Get 2 separate pvc tubes that the subs will fit in and use 6'' aeros.

It was clipping

Well I haven't changed any of the settings on the amp or deck so we will see if it was clipping when I hook it up to a scope.

It was all burnt and I pressed on it and it broke.

Well I scope it when I have the time, but as far as I could tell it wasn't clipping since I set the gains with a DMM. Surprisingly the crossfire survived and I thought thats what went at first

Explain to me how clipping did this then? The coil still looks fine.

4000W x1 into 2 ohm What kind of recone did you get a BTL recone ? If anything less i don't think a BL/Q can handle that much.... Dude, if you only knew. Thats all I AM A say. The parts are pretty damn close to MT parts so its basically an RE MT with a Fi dustcap. And that amp is probaly putting out 2500w-3000w after box rise and the eletrical system its on right now. Pretty damn close? LOL... Try teh same. Well there is one difference, and the Fi parts were supposed to have better leads.