Might be the same... but there is definitely an increase in people that have no business using the word SQ for what they want. There is a difference between pure clarity and having a decent sound. pure clarity ? i'm a long way from that. i'm also a long way from finishing the system. but atleast i know the mli's go realy loooooooow. those fvckers shake the mirrors Can't wait to put mine in the honda, but I am still stuck with how to get the wire through to the door. Might just order Raamat here and deal with wiring later. Does it have the stupid plastic connectors in the door? If so, it's as simple as drilling new holes and inserting another boot in the door. Sure, if you know how to do it with out taking the door off. Drill through the door from the inside with the door panel popped off, then you can remove the kick panel, move what you need out of the way and drill through from the passenger compartment. Paint the edges, install your boot, and voila! I did some thinking. And I think the dremel might fit inside the door, but it will be a PITA!! Drill is just too big, remember this civic doors are small and thin. Don't feel like crafting a boot, well atleast not right now. Just need to get this installed and ready. Not to mention, the car needs shocks, brakes, and front tires. Outside of the large dents and seriously faded paint, we got a little winner. But it gets more sluggish the more equipment I add, considering that 800a2 in the classified section to match the 125 and 250a2's.