But the draw of a place like DIYMA is that the members are above average The ones that have been there a while anyways, generically speaking the average is falling quickly My concern is that it will turn into a crapaudio where there are a few great members but the great majority of the responses that aren't from them will be questionable. Considering how little people will pipe up when this happens that site could really go down the drain quickly. Part of the reason I call people out, I can't stand that chit. Well if CSO is dieing off, DIYma is not as good, ECA has gotten too esoteric for its own good, where does that leave people that want to learn? Funny too since DIYMA is pretty elitist and really only helpful if you already know what you are doing. I really appreciate the wealth of testing data on the site, but on some level that would just confuse people on most sites anyways. So for people that want to learn they should go to caraudio.com or the caraudioforum. Great info there. I only trust about 5 people on CAF for info, and 3 of them are named Warbleed.