DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!! CBfryman, I just typed this huge response to the MAC v. PC ordeal. I am not going to type it all over again. To get to the point, I have a lengthly background in MAC/PC and now gaining more unix everyday. I run MAC and PC at home, run all 3 at work. Skiping to next point, G5s ARE upgradeable, we have done it here at work many times. I read every post in the topic you posted, and the vast majority of those posts were made out of sheer ignorance. People were making negative comments about a platform and operating system they do not know much if anything about. I am not saying one is superior to the other, but there is a reason unix is still around, because it is super stable and very usable once learned. So it makes sence that Apple/MACs are now unix based, and now that they can run windows software it is saying something. To me as I see it here at work everyone in my branch has 3 machines, slowly everyone is transitioning to G5, they are able to run all three and are very stable. The only issues we have had with our machines are power issues, and that has nothing to do with the operating system or the computer, it has to do with a building that was not wired to handle the current draw that we are putting on it. I love my dell and I love my mac, but if I was forced to choose, I would take the G5 and smile. Not beating the dead horse again, just trying to clear a few things up. Once again not saying one is better than the other, only stating some facts.