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An amp..should be an amp. There should be no processing or any associated stuff. Whatever you put in it..is what you should get out only bigger. Hell a lot of the Korean/Chinese amps don't even filter out the switching frequency operation of the output stage...that crap goes straight into the sub as well and inductively heats the tinsel leads up. And it is not just a 'straight' DC current, it is still oscillating...in the sense of hooking a battery up to the sub. Otherwise the sub would just move out or in and stay there to burn. Scott and I have spent a LOT of time testing this with the pro sound amps in the shop, using our tone generator...the sub gets straight pissed...and it is because of clipping and the time value that everybody keeps forgetting about...that induces heat. It's like holding a hyndai to the floor and bouncing it off the rev limiter, then yanking it in reverse...then back to forwards. The only time it is off the rev limiter is when it is bogging down attempting to move.

We've got a distributor in PI. You'd have to purchase through him anyhow. I can not remember his business name right off the top of my head. Alvin Cu is his name. djphatbone " At " yahoo.com

...a sub is made for 80Hz and down. You need to invest in solid components to keep up with and do what you want to do.

Going to disagree with that. When I have time or when Scott has time we'll make a graph with what we found. Power is power..but what isn't being considered is your time value of a 'square' or 'clipped' wave over the cycle period. You are at the extremes of the wave form MUCH longer which induces a significant amount of more heat to build up...which..kills the sub. Seen there...and below in the following 3 images. Yes the 'power' is 'power' and 'watts' is 'watts'...but you are not considering it over a given period of time where the coil is literally standing still burning and then immediately slamming in reverse and standing there and burning until it gets slammed forward by the fets. It is like trying to change gears without pushing in the clutch while traveling 70mph forward and 70mph rearword. Clipping...induces a SHIT ton more heat over this period of time..the heat and the coil bouncing off of the switching frequency of the output transistors..causes it to melt.

Ladies/Gents, Some good friends of mine from college are in a competition for a Dream Wedding giveaway. They are in the running with a local radio station to have their dream wedding given to them if they get enough votes. It is going in 3 rounds so I will update the thread with their stuff as time passes. Please vote for #10, Tiffany Phelps and Joseph Nichols I promise you are not going to get spam email or anything from entering your information. It is simply to keep people from 'cheating'. Please only vote once per round. I do not want them to get DQ'd. http://www.wvhl.net/wedding%20promo%20stage%202/vote_round_1.htm Click that, vote #10! Thank you so much! -Nick

Think about it.. There is a LOT of information and processes that we have refined over thousands upon thousands of iterations.. That takes YEARS to figure out on your own. We hire somebody in..they work for a month and disappear. Next thing you know somebody else is doing something to mimic what we do.. We've already given the industry enough as it is over the years..if you look around and don't see that you are simply blind

Tonight!

'bout that much. lol. Honestly man, put them in a Q sized enclosure..they'll be fine. What they T/S at? No idea.

Just the truth

So is that why I found a piece of bread in my subs pole vent?? LOL jk Wouldn't surprise me. I generally don't have a speaker on the table if i'm eating lunch...sometimes I forget though. Is Fi car audio Hiring? I would love to build subwoofers, that would be a dream come true! Nope.. Don't hire people that have any interest at all in car audio.

um..dude.. more motor force dictates a saddle shaped response curve ...in short lessening a single peak, spreading it out into two peaks and a valley in the response curve.

the exact date will be exactly the day that it is on the website ...we're not putting a date on it. when it is there...it is there!

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So is that why I found a piece of bread in my subs pole vent?? LOL jk Wouldn't surprise me. I generally don't have a speaker on the table if i'm eating lunch...sometimes I forget though.

No the amplifier in that head unit is only for the output leads to like door speakers. If you are running RCA's that does not amplify that signal...

Don't know what a 'break' is...spinning around in a chair sideways while shoving food down my throat is about it ..still run parts while eating lunch a lot of time.

Don, I'm going to need some product here shortly, what is the best way to contact you? (Can't get the website to load) Thanks! Nick

That one will be 4-5 weeks. We've got to finish up a little bit of coding for the N3 then it will be on the website (shortly, possibly tomorrow). N-SG is not top priority right now.

there's alot of post's saying the new ones don't sound like the old ones, that's my biggest problem with it all. i just dont see why they would change it and trash the older design, fi should be adding not taking away They don't sound like the old ones. They sound better then the old ones, but the difference wouldn't be drastic. They are adding something, only thing they take away is the weight of the sub, and that's a good thing Just curious, what exactly did they add? I believe in one of the other recent post, Nick or Scott said they added nothing different from gen 2 to gen 3. Same leads, spiders, etc etc... If what Fi says about adding nothing new, and simply taking away motor force, how is it possible to sound better then gen 2s? Does the motor make a difference in the sound quality? I thought all horse power equals all horse power, No matter how its produced. 1 = 1, no mater how you get there, its the same end result, thats just my opinion, not sure if its correct or not, please, enlightin me if I'm wrong, which I don't doubt it lol. Totally wrong. The UFO motors had too much motor force for daily driving applications. Many people would put them in and lose SPL. This is because it takes the 'peak' that you get and splits it apart and gives you a saddle shaped response curve. People keep saying more motor force is better, and it is only to a point, the UFO crossed that line. The N2 backed things down a bit to where it is more reasonable for daily. Those who are after SPL oriented stuff will be able to get the N3. The saddle shape in the response curve causes things to 'tame down' in the middle band of the response curve. We've gotten rid of that with the N2. It's far from 'cheap chinese shit'..our raw material steel parts are sourced from here on the N series. Everything else is moving over to that as well, hence changing over to Neo on the SSD. We are machining and doing more and more here in the states as we are absolutely sick of dealing with Chinese vendors for raw materials. We are not going to take a step back, ever. That is stupid.

Put it in the cart with your info...it gives you a shipped price.

^^^ in the packaging material.

Just remember.. The more power you run, the less margin for error. Bad things happen VERY fast.

Is this another new N2 with a fried coil? Sure does look like it. Just like there's another brand new pickup truck wrapped around a telephone pole ..which is clearly the trucks fault for doing it..right? Alain - Glad the gain adjustment fixed the issues. My saying still stands true. Speakers are stupid, they simply do what you tell them to do.

Ok, i thought the same thing, before NDM answered again... Are you serious? How did you get that out of this thread? Read above, what NDM wrote. That is why i was doubting. It's just writting in a weird way.(imo) No dude..it's called a statement...and you are reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far into it. I do not like green eggs and ham...does that mean green eggs and ham is bad? No. Sam I am loved it. I however, do not like green eggs and ham. I like blue eggs and ham. get it?