SoundSplinter

> What is the most decibiles allowed out of one subwoofer in the State of Texas? Haha, I don't have a clue! I'd imagine it's the point at which the neighbors call the cops As for the amount of power you're plannin' on driving to those RL-p's, be careful!

Yea, well you know the sayin'... sh

Hehe, from the horse's mouth indeed the RL-s has been off to a very slow start. I imagine that since it is tailored more towards the home theater audience and the fact that most of the people on the boards that popularize my products are into car audio is playing apart - not to mention the fact that it needs a pretty hefty amount of power at a relatively high impedance (which is often expensive), the sticker price is comparatively high compared to anything else I offer, combined with the fact that it is new and relatively unknown, make people a little uneasy to take the plunge. Also realize that I don't really do any advertising (save for a single banner on realmofexcursion.com), therefore I haven't even promoted the new product and the vast majority of my sales come from word of mouth. With a new product, there's really not much word of mouth to go around What can I say, I'm a simple and patient man - I wait for the people to come to me There certainly are some out there - and there were even a couple reviews on caraudio.com soon after their release. I may as well take this time to note (as I have already informed everyone who has inquired personally) that the RL-s15 is not and has not been shipping. Reason being is that we found a fatal manufacturing flaw in the internal construction that has led to an incredibly high rate of failure. Thankfully only four people had snagged the 15's by the time I realized what was happening, and all of them have either exchanged for other products or received a refund. Therefore, until we can figure out what the hell is going on, and be confident enough in the solution to the problem, the 15" RL-s will not be shipping since we will have to rip apart and rebuild the entire current inventory first. On that note, the 12" RL-s has exhibited ZERO failures thus far, and I have those bad boys ready to roll out. My apologies if you had your heart set on the 15" - but hey, better than getting a speaker and then have it start to buzz on ya after a week of play time, eh? Quality control to the max!

I would, but price is a huge factor for me since I run this jig on very low margin and volume with respect to other audio retailers, and as I've already layed out thousands in tooling fees for the new cone and surround on the 8" speaker, I cannot justify spending a higher markup on the baskets. Also as noted, it seems that a supplier has been located - just that it will take some time for the parts to make it to the assembly plant in San Diego.

Alas things got a little held up. req should be shipping out the driver by the end of the week, and as it is still in NY we are a touch over half way through. I updated the first post in this thread to reflect the revised projections.

Hey there DarkSide, terribly sorry about the delay on the RL-i's.. it's been driving me (and I'm sure plenty of interested parties) up the freakin' wall! I have all the parts waiting to go into production except for the baskets. I've learned that lead times are an estimate at best, so I always clarify that I estimate availability by early January - but to be completely honest, they'll be ready when they're ready The baskets are coming into the States from China, so they have to take quite a boat trip to make it to the Port of Los Angeles, and due to new security policies sometimes shipping crates are delayed for up to three weeks while they undergo various testing for nuclear screening. There is no telling which shipments will be delayed so it could feasibly be until late January before we see the return of the RL-i. I sure hope it doesn't take that long, but even if it doesn't my "best case scenario" has the RL-i's slated to be ready no earlier than the very end of this month. Hate to say it, but you may just have to get workin' on the rest of your system.. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you (and me!)

Damn Mozilla - apox upon FireFox! The RL-p pages will be updated soon, just finished editing all the images so now it's on to HTML. As I'm battling a pretty nasty cold I'm not sure when exactly I'll get to it but it should be within the week.

Again, very happy to hear that you're happy! I just finished doing a bunch of image processing today in order to update my Premium Series webpage, so hopefully that section of the site will be up-to-date by early next week. After that's done, I'm thinking or revamping my Customer Installs section into a general Testimonials section, and I would love to include your setup in there if you'd be so kind to allow it. I still have a few other things to take care of first (and also have a few other customers who sent in their pic's to be included), but I figured I'd just let ya know now since you've taken a lot of time to explain your process and opinion, and I figure it would be a nice addition to the main website

They have been considered - but as I am not a mechanical engineer myself, I've been learning as I go along with this hobby. Therefore due to time limitations, I don't want to risk adding products that I know little about to my inventory. Once I've had time to really get to know and play with a variety of component sets, I will be more receptive to adding some to my lineup

I'm really aiming to keep SoundSplinter surrounded in the image of supreme hi-fidelity. At this point, I haven't yet found a low-cost woofer that I'm comfortable selling - but that's certainly not to say that if I do, I won't jump on the opportunity to add it to the lineup! Thanks for the feedback - keep it comin'

Precisely. Some people just love overkill - I can't say I'm not sometimes partial to it myself. Not to mention, the RL-s is a completely different beast from the rest of our lineup in that it is designed strictly for the most accurate sound reproduction available, and is not nearly as versatile as our other offerings. There are two main points taken into consideration: practicality (ie. value & versatility) and the extreme factor (knowing that you have the absolute best speaker for a specific application). I choose to offer a host of sizes and types in the subwoofer lineup in efforts to cater to a wider range of potential customeres

A larger driver offering more displacement will definitely have the potential to be louder, so the 10's should be able to beat out the 8's in most applications. Throwing a pair of 8's in ported boxes though will get mighty loud for the in-car environment. Unless you're half deaf (or soon want to be), or the drivers are located in a well-sealed trunk for example, you shouldn't need anymore bass than the 8's can provide, for a well balanced and fairly loud system.

Well hello Mr. Pute! Thanks for the very kind words, they are greatly appreciated As for the new 8's, we have the new cones and surrounds in stock - but low and behold we've still to wait on the baskets It does appear however, that after a grueling three months things are starting to come together and it shouldn't be much longer before they're back!

I'm still truckin' with my RL-p15 in a 3.5 @ 25 Hz slot port off of a maximum 1200 watts (which is MORE than enough for my moderate sized living room - I've already had the neighbors come a knockin' twice in the last week and have had my NAD T753 receiver set to -12dB on the woofer output!). I've been hankerin' to switch it up with a sealed RL-s but just haven't had the time to make it happen yet. Will also try to get some 12" RL-p graphs up later tonight and holy bejesus I need to update the website too!

For your viewing pleasure (all I have handy are 15" graphs, will have more soon): Sealed RL-p15 Solid Magenta Line: 2.1 cu ft Dotted Green Line: 1 cu ft Dashed Red Line: 3.5 cu ft Vented RL-p15 Solid Magenta Line: 3.5 cu ft @ 23.5 Hz Dotted Green Line: 2.75 cu ft @ 28 Hz Dashed Red Line: 3 cu ft @ 26 Hz PS. I'll see what's going on with the Supreme demo - as I was on vacation last week I let things slide a bit

The new surround will look very similar to the first prototype surround that was used (it was due to limited supply that the tall surround was ultimately incorporated). As for enclosure size, 4 should indeed work well in a 2 cu ft enclosure - however I am going to refrain from giving specific recommendations until we have the final unit in hand (which will hopefully be in no more than 2 weeks). I'm up in Oregon for Thanksgiving week with family, so forgive me if I'm scarce until Monday. Eatin', drinkin', and bein' merry.. I hope you are all too!

Scandalous! Who says sub-sonic filters are useless? May your PR's RIP

25-30mm MDF is perfectly suitable. If there are very long portions of your enclosure, you could consider bracing, however for a single driver using the thickness of MDF you are, it might not be necessary. I'll be interested to see what your formal testing reveals! 50L should work quite well for the RL-p15. Particularly with the equilization you can work with, as my general opinion calls for a slightly larger enclosure around 2.1 cu ft net internal sealed volume (which equates to roughly 60L net volume). Keep us posted!

Negative, that is one of the primary reasons for the redesign because, though it did make it look beastly, it served no functional need and was in fact a hinderance to the overall performance of the driver since the material it used was much thicker and resistive to movement than necessary. The driver was never designed to use the full stroke that the tall surround offered, and it was employed in large part because it was readily available at the time and people wanted 8" drivers. The tooling on the new surround and sourcing more baskets is why the recent batch is taking so freakin' long to come to fruition - but it should be ready very soon.

You won't be overpowering them with that amount of power and enclosure size - I use my single RL-p15 in a 3.5 net @ 25 Hz, fed with anywhere from 600-1200 watts depending on my mood. No problems. One thing you might want to consider is that if for some reason one driver fails, your box suddenly becomes quite large for the remaining drivers. It is for this reason that I prefer seperate chambers, but so long as you're paying attention and know what you're doing, you should have a nice setup there.

Hehe, yep Kent has ya beat flakko Man lookin' back on my first purchase orders, I'm amazed at the incredibly small volume that I started with. In fact, Kent's driver is one of only TWO RL-p12 D2's from my first purchase order when I opened up shop with the matte painted cone drivers in the middle of last year. I still really dig the look of the painted cone, but it was becomming a pain since it required additional treatment on the metal where the santoprene surround attached or else there wouldn't be a secure seal. The annodized cones and NBR rubber surrounds don't make for this inconvenience (and they look pretty damn sexy in their own right). As for the D2 group buy, indeed there were 25 units produced, at nearly the cost I sold them for! .. and as for D2 drivers, I currently offer the RL-p's in both dual 2 and dual 4. Also keep an eye out for additional VC config's on the RL-i's (as soon as I can get those mother's back in stock)!

> My amplifier works better at 4ohms so 15d2 could be better than 15d4? Sounds like you're running this for a home theater system. You may as well grab the 2ohm driver if you want to run at 4 ohms (unless you want to run two drivers). 1200 watts on the RL-p15 D2 will be at the very top end of what I'd ever recommend for power on one of these things, so if you notice any stress just pare down the amplifier gain a touch and you should be good to go. You could easily get away with two RL-p's given the power you have on tap - but of course that would equate to added expense and use of physical space. Whatchu talkin' about, Willis? RL-p's are available in both dual 2ohm and dual 4ohm these days

Welcome to the forums Mike! Can't wait to hear your impressions.

I like the way this guy thinks!

> so how do we get on this rli-8 waiting list? or are all of the ones you built spoken for? Just fire over an email telling me to put you on the list. As for drivers being spoken for - I have a considerable amount on order (though they will probably be produced in a series of four cycles spaced out over a period of 2 months). BUT, seeing as I don't accept formal pre-orders, it will be first come first served once the drivers are ready. Of course, everyone on the wait-list will be notified as soon as they are available so they'll have a bit of a head start. If everyone on the waitlist chose to order, I may be in a bit of a squeeze to start with, however I doubt that will happen since some of these people have been waiting for up to 90 days and unfortunately they've probably gotten their fix elsewhere