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Chris russ runs one and loves it, hair pin stator design. Pretty much BA alt. Great thread btw! Very informative. x's 2!!

P.S. Love you truck btw, been looking for a 06-07 Explorer lately, a lot actually, lol. Its gna be my next purchase. I search for <10,000 and a few actually show up with ~100k

Wow!! That is so sick. Thats for sharing that That is a great example, Let us know what it sounds like compared to just have your Focals to listen to. I'm curious if what difference it will make in music and in movies. If anybody has a before and after to my question, I would love to hear your opinion. I know now that, the stage effect, is all you need. Now just curious what difference will it make adding speakers to the rear? Better or no audible difference???

Thats a pretty impressive HU then. What about other rear passangers? What are their opinions? Not to say I don't trust your family's opinion, I just know that most families don't want their child to be exposed to loud music.

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Ohhhhhh, ok, I just read that you wer in that car, I didn't know where at in that car.... Ok, I gotcha. hmmmm, well, lol, I guess if its well done, then there is no consequent in overloading the front with speakers. Thanks for sharring your personal experience with me, now I can realate to what your saying.

Exactly...the sound is coming from the "stage" Have you ever been to a concert or live performance and felt it lacked surround sound? I highly doubt it LOL, I see what your saying. Well in that case, I do see your point. So I guess I have my answer now then. And I'm assuming the only downfall would be the passangers in the rear. Unless you just have a shit ton of speakers in the front, or a good enough system that is properly equiped and balanced so that the rear passangers can still hear the vocals from the overwhelming bass coming from behind them.

Whats the reason behind turning the batts around? lol

NICE! So how are they compared to the Gen 2's?????? Lets pray you get your alts in a timely fashion, I can't imagine whats gonna happen with

Word, I get what your saying. And, you guys have provided more than enough information to let me know that all that wizardry of patterns insides box's don't mean anything. Thanks a lot. I just simply never understood what was the person for people putting in so much time in those designs, but now I see they serve no real life purpose that is audible.

Thats a pretty sick setup. Thanks for showing this, so see, heres my question, with all the speakers up front, do you ever hear anything coming from the back? Or at that point, is there just no reason to hear from the rear, if you have 8 speakers right in front of you? To me, it would seem like all of the sound(s) that you are listening to are only coming from one source, and thats in front of you.

So if it wasn't for your friends in the back, you would have probly nvr put speakers in the back would you ? lol. Did you hear a difference from once you added speakers in the back, or where you still only hearing the front speakers overwhelming your rear speakers?

hmmmmm, well thanks for the response guys. I guess I learned something today The songs I have heard that gave me that surround sound was an older track, past decade or so, and also I've heard songs that would make it seem that the helicopter was actually right over my head, and it seemed like it just flew right over me, from left to right. So, I guess you guys are right. I was just thinking that, if you put as many speakers in the back, as you did in the front, it would just be better. But I guess thats all preference. I would think it seems like the front is just simply over powering the rear. I guess the only way to have real surround is if you had a dvd going huh?? lol. Well thanks again guys. I just was wondering why people always put so many dang o speakers in there front doors, and would only replace the stock speakers in the back, as if they wer not as important in the front.

True, but I have listened to some songs that would utilize this feature, I.E., in a song, they would use fading of a gun shot going around the driver, so it would go FL, BL, BR, FR, or even just left to right kinda thing. I understand the "stage", but even in this case, would the speakers that you are using to create this illusion have a more present feeling in the front speakers, rather then coming from the entire vehicle? Its hard to explain on paper, but, I hope you understand what I'm saying. Like, Ok, lets say your creating the "stage" effect, wouldn't you have to, in a dumed down sense, turn down the volume in the front speakers, so that all the speakers will sound as though they are coming from one source, simulating a surround sound in your vehicle. Well what I am thinking is, why turn down the volume of the front speakers, when you can simply add more speakers behind you, instead of trying to mimic what your trying to achieve.

Hey guys, A thought has hit me as I look through the forums, and I was wondering if anybody could give me their opinion on this matter. Ok, so why when somebody decides to focus on the "Front stage", do they only focus on the front two doors? I understand that the driver is up front, so maybe that is the primary reason for this. When I look at a install, I would see anywhere from two to eight door speakers but only in the front two doors. I don't understand why isn't it kept to the equal amount of speakers that are in the back two doors, or for cars, the back deck? To me, if I was to put 3 door speakers up front, I would put 3 door speakers in the back as well. I understand there may be different reasons, such as funds, available space, equipment. But even so, if you spend x on the front, why not x in the rear, that is my question. I would imagine that if I was to put as much effort in rear, as the front, it would create a surround sound effect, or just bring the overall sound quality to life. So any input on this matter would be greatly appreciated, THANKS!

Your build came out Do you have another build for the rest of the system??

My opinion to your second question. Horn enclosures can offer advantages over other types of enclosures. Higher sensitivity is the biggest plus. In the sub bass frequencies the horn can get very long. Horns have their problems like any kind of speaker, and can be extremely sensitive in the environment they are used. "The enthusiast would say that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and that the problems are challenges." I enjoy installation challenges. Will I ever build a horn for car audio use, no. Is there a real word benefit in car audio use for sub bass horn enclosures, sure. Implementing the enclosure into the vehicle maybe the issue though. Nothing is impossible. Just ask Jon Whitledge he has the "worlds best car stereo" and it isnt even a car. Hmmmmm, very interesting indeed. And thats all I was asking for, your opinion, I take your opinion(s) in great respect. The reason you will never build one for car audio use, is this because you believe it is not worth the time and effort in building one that may or may not satisfy your needs, or is it more less just not your cup of tea? As in you feel you will feel no diffence in between the designs audibly? And I respect you respecting others opinion I believe it would require a large amount of volume in a large vehicle. I would not be willing to give up that much space if I had a vehicle even big enough to hold such an enclosure. Alan Dante, one of the top SPL competitors, +180db, has a single 18" in a crazy 6th or 8th order horn type enclosure. It is nuts. You should see the "vehicle" it is in. Definitely not road worthy. I think he is running a crazy 18" and two 12"s now breaking 180's. WTF??? How you can you get +180 with a single 18, lmao that is just nuts. But back on topic, Yes, it would take a lot of space, which has been metion earlier in this thread, but Duran likes the design from PWK, and believes that it does work within a limited space (Assuming from previous reply), so I guess its all up to the owner preference or beliefs, because its not just you, also M5 mentioned the space that is needed to support this kind of design, "mathematically" speaking. From the looks of the design that Alton was able to provide earlier, seems like I would have enough space in my 4 dr explorer, which was the reason for me beliveing that I could support such a design.

My opinion to your second question. Horn enclosures can offer advantages over other types of enclosures. Higher sensitivity is the biggest plus. In the sub bass frequencies the horn can get very long. Horns have their problems like any kind of speaker, and can be extremely sensitive in the environment they are used. "The enthusiast would say that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and that the problems are challenges." I enjoy installation challenges. Will I ever build a horn for car audio use, no. Is there a real word benefit in car audio use for sub bass horn enclosures, sure. Implementing the enclosure into the vehicle maybe the issue though. Nothing is impossible. Just ask Jon Whitledge he has the "worlds best car stereo" and it isnt even a car. Hmmmmm, very interesting indeed. And thats all I was asking for, your opinion, I take your opinion(s) in great respect. The reason you will never build one for car audio use, is this because you believe it is not worth the time and effort in building one that may or may not satisfy your needs, or is it more less just not your cup of tea? As in you feel you will feel no diffence in between the designs audibly?

Thats what I thought? OP, did you not read that part before purchasing or just kinda missed that part? Orrrr, are you simply trying to figure a way to fix it?

If I'm not mistaken, didn't the person on here that sold you that amp say it himself that that the led was broken???

Oh yeah, I know there's nothing wrong with a classic style box that is built well. Just kinda window shopping @ different styles to get the most out of a box that is specified for the sub. When I see designs like the one you showed, it makes me wonder though why do they go through all that trouble, if it has no additional benefit then a traditional L shape design Because some moron on the internet keeps proposing that these are workable in car without understanding rudimentary math. There is a huge benefit of a horn loaded enclosure, you just aren't going to fit it in your car if it is tuned as a sub. I outlined your two choices, you really should use one. His enclosures are phenomenal, actually. If you ever tried one you'd know... Not sure who "him" is you are referring to, but there are a ton of buffoons proposing solutions like this. Comment still holds no matter who it is. Math doesn't lie and you can't cheat Physics. Peter W. Kulicki, he's an acoustic engineer as well You should know better than to argue with the self rightous M# So are you argueing that you can indeed construct a box that will share the same attributes as a true horn enclosure within a limited space? I am not arguing ....no point in it I think the design of a horn is intriguing. A folded horn design is even more interesting. Maybe someday in my spare time (lol spare time) I will research it. Well if your not arguing or if theres no point in it, then why did you say it????? lol. You must think otherwise right??? Yes, both design are interesting, but do they have any real world benefit compared to a regular ported box?

Oh yeah, I know there's nothing wrong with a classic style box that is built well. Just kinda window shopping @ different styles to get the most out of a box that is specified for the sub. When I see designs like the one you showed, it makes me wonder though why do they go through all that trouble, if it has no additional benefit then a traditional L shape design Because some moron on the internet keeps proposing that these are workable in car without understanding rudimentary math. There is a huge benefit of a horn loaded enclosure, you just aren't going to fit it in your car if it is tuned as a sub. I outlined your two choices, you really should use one. His enclosures are phenomenal, actually. If you ever tried one you'd know... Not sure who "him" is you are referring to, but there are a ton of buffoons proposing solutions like this. Comment still holds no matter who it is. Math doesn't lie and you can't cheat Physics. Peter W. Kulicki, he's an acoustic engineer as well You should know better than to argue with the self rightous M# So are you argueing that you can indeed construct a box that will share the same attributes as a true horn enclosure within a limited space?

Lmao, holy crap

ahhhhh, I see, ok, gotcha!! Thanks bro.