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Crap, 8445 has nothing but all the ones around it have everything. 8454,8443, 8053, 8455 all carry crossovers yours doesn't. That is going to severely limit your SQ more than any drivers. Thought about selling it an upgrading? If not, I would highly suggest mounting the drivers as coaxial or close together as possible. Even then you might just be better off with a passive set.

Bad angle...so I don't think so, but could be. Damnit.

You really don't get it do you. As that consumer did you listen to EVERY speaker before making a decision? Obviously I know the answer is no which means you have a very small sampling. Real measurements allow you to evaluate EVERY driver that you would like to for your application and know EXACTLY how it will perform in comparison to others. It is way faster to screen drivers up front and listen to just a few than the other way around which gets us to the point of listening to music faster. Really simple, not sure why you and your camp completely doesn't get it.

I left out the I in the sentence. As in I use stuff like that everyday. Amusingly you are off just a wee bit on the pricing. That isn't thousands of dollars worth of equipment, but over $1M. And remember, that was for development. Exactly why I am interested in what Ray did.

MN no longer inspects. They found out everyone passed and did away with it.

crapshitfuck describes it well. Good luck sorting it out. We want pixorez quick ! ! ! I know they are shitty, but cell phone for now more better later when I am not driving illegally with a photocopied temporary tag. Where I like to go gets patrolled hourly.

$600 ticket for no tabs in MN, not going to risk it...but would drive with a scanned version of it.

Use the stuff on a daily basis. As for the bold comment, perhaps you now realize why subjective comments aren't very helpful? Had to quote you...

pissedoffTOP

Crap. Car is in the garage and salty, but NO TEMPORARY PERMIT and no plates Trying to get this sorted out now. 295's made it up the driveway, but...

First off the pissing match is exclusively started when someone disrespects the forum. It is clear in the Terms & Conditions that there is information that should be relayed to make it an effective thread. Everyone who has had issue to this is too damn lazy to do enough research or reading to even know that. Your answer and post wasn't this way, but information was left out you didn't know was necessary. You then provided it in your post. That is more than fine Curious to know what your Uncles Vertical Symmetricals have for drivers **assuming they are speakers, not something I've heard of if its a brand. Still curious on the large format. The mounting depth is independent of the format as this has to do with the flange. For an SQ setup it is all about the driver, which was what I meant about the off axis. Most home audio drivers are designed primarily for on axis work so picking one that is appropriate for your needs we will have to take your door/kick mounting into account. Of course, this was related to my frequency response question as smaller diameter tweeters usually do better off axis. I am curious as to why the kicks won't be custom, don't you have to make them anyways? You also seem to say no to the A pillar but then offer it as a solution. If you go the A-pillar route knowing a bit more about your dash and vehicle would help as there are many that really stink for that application. Luckily your weight concern isn't really an issue, no seat of the pants or measurable difference over 10lbs here or there. Which Eclipse H/U do you have (or better yet what processing does it have)? Need to really know what it can do for processing to help as this will greatly influence both driver and location recommendations. They are COMPLETELY intertwined.

Not until I went ot the link.

This is not true. I went from a 4v radio to a 5v radio and gained almost a full db. Granted the two radios were on whole different spectrums when it comes to performance. But none the less, there is a noticeable difference. Can you prove the gain was solely because of the difference in preout voltage? Yes, I changed NOTHING else. A few people on here can attest to it. Simply switched radio's, and I went from a 150.6 to a 151.4. That only proves your setup wasn't optimized with the other headunit. Gain = gain and there is no way around that. If your amp cannot deal with a 2V signal or 1V peak and still provide the gain it is supposed to it is faulty, no reasonable amp requires 4V to get to max output. Of course there is a knob and you could have surely influenced what it would do significantly with that knob. Definitely user setup made the difference in your case.

Bayless TOP

Dang, Rick wake up!! I am flying to Chicago tomorrow and only have 2 hours for dinner and I'd like to make reservations at Frontera. If I didn't have the damn Germans with me I'd choose Topolobampo but they'll freak at the price even if I pay.

Car seat behind my ass is no E class either

I'm excited too. First time ever of buying a car that not only haven't I seen, but I've never even driven one lol. Drove a 550, but that is a joke in comparison.

Decent sound is subjective. I guarantee your vehicle wouldn't please me. Considering the OP's goals a midbass should be better than a highly efficient mid, but it will then require a butt-ton of power. Underlapping between a horn and a midbass can sometimes make up the difference and not be so important for his goals. There are subs/midbasses that can play high enough to not even need to and as long as they have the thermal and excursion potential to do what is necessary they might work better than a pro mid. In your case it is different as your tweeters cannot dig anywhere near where a horn can, so using a screaming bullet tweet does require that solution. edit: I dig the 8NDL51's so don't take that wrong

http://www.bkhome.com/products/telecomaudiosolutions/headtorso/headandtorsosimulatorhatstype4128c.aspx + http://www.bkhome.com/Products/PULSEAnalyzerPlatform/PULSESolutionsOverview/Electroacoustics/AudioAnalyzerOptions.aspx + http://www.bksv.com/products/telecomaudiosolutions/electroacousticsaccessories/pistonphonetype4228.aspx + An Acoustics degree Oh, and I don't get offended easily, remember I am not the emotional one If it is for development you should also add: http://www.bksv.com/Products/TelecomAudioSolutions/ElectroacousticsAccessories/TurntableSystemType9640.aspx A big ass anechoic chamber and http://www.polytec.com/us/products/vibration-sensors/scanning-vibrometers/psv-400-3d-scanning-vibrometer/ http://www.klippel.de/analyzer/default.asp If you need a quote on the above equipment, I can help but I hope you have some money, lol.

Large format possible? What are you using for processing? How does your mid "sound" playing to 2kHz? Do you want to push it that high? Where are you mounting your mid? Will they be on axis or off or do you have the liberty of maximizing the install aiming based on how they sound. Do you have a textile/metal preference? we need a lot more information before anyone can give you an educated response. Those Scan's maybe similar to the F1's but it is not the driver btw.

No word from delivery man, but supposed to be here between 9 and 11 if the roads didn't slow him down. Considering that they are nice between Detroit and here I am expecting him...

No worries, the day I stop learning is the day I die. Hope to help others continue as well.

bigfatnosnowtireTOP

I am curious to find out how the all season 295's do...which I should be able to later on today

If you read the thread, that is nearly exactly what we are recommending. You got a little lost in the details though. -no real midbass will play to 2500Hz, my favorite bang for the buck driver has a hard time hitting 300Hz which means you are compromising a bit in the driver. Nonetheless there are choices. -For systems with output as the goal, having the subs play higher is no big deal and beneficial as they are more efficient by default than anything else you can use based on cone area -ANY decent horn can play WAY below 2300Hz, some down under 1kHz even -Overlapping can be a terrible idea much more often than a good one. And no it will do the opposite from being "warmer or smoother" -RTA's really shouldn't be used EXCEPT for to find anomalies, definitely not for setting up your system. You should set it up for yourself and not for some computer -EQ in general should not be to satisfy your "wants" but to remove the anomalies. Your "wants" should be solved in your installation. -Flat sounds like ass, always -You should generically speaking never use an eq to "move up from there" but to pull things down. EQ's are for making cuts, not boost. -I would say several weeks, not hours or days. The recommendation of using a midbass or better yet a dynamically capable midrange and a horn is the ONLY solution for getting loud, maintaining a stage, and still sounding good. Multiple drivers playing high frequencies is always a bad idea and a hell of a compromise in the wrong direction. quoted You know I said the truck would stage... but I NEVER said WELL ... wtf bro ?? I would NEVER put that system in competition. So far I've read is adding horns under the dash ... nothing about driver positioning ... how is this going to help your stage ?? What do you mean by stage but not very well, that makes absolutely no sense...unless you have a seriously jacked definition of stage. The horns will help significantly for a multitude of reason. A L/R point source will ALWAYS be easier to make cohesive than multiple point sources, the horns even under the dash will be as high if not higher than the tweets in the current door, and they can actually be aimed. Basically nearly every aspect of staging will be improved over what he has currently. again, best of luck with your system bro ... Thanks, Randal .......... And again, your suggestion won't have the dynamic capability that the OP wants. One normal tweet on each side will NOT "keep up" with his subs at all. Rudimentary understanding of sensitivity and power ratings will tell you that. He will definitely still need processing AND your off axis recommendation is not good either. We already went over this though. It won't.