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75wx2 is not 200w rms, the published specs from Flakko I would believe considering his relationship with JR.

Personally I don't think the Poly's have any place in a 3way and nor do the XT25. If you are going to do it get a true midbass driver, a true mid, and a tweet that really can fill in the upper range. IMO adding another driver to what you have now will not help at all and in all likely hood probably make things worse. A 3 way would be the bomb though.

Remind me in a month or so after I move and I will gladly measure one for you with our scanning laser vibrometer and show you the difference. I have been meaning to write up a flexing tech paper for the technical section, but until I have a garage back I can't whack out any enclosures. The difference is huge. If you think we are splitting hairs I encourage you to go onto a home audio website and look at one of their sub enclosures, huge baffles and TONS of bracing. I already admitted huge enclosures will see this problem I am talking most sane daily driver boxes in vehicles, which now that I look, the OPs may not fit this category. BTW I have always used MDF just for peace of mind. I have had friends with single 12" tuned enclosures made from fine particle board and I seen no flex difference with the eye. When an enclosure reaches a certain size then flex will come and the integrity of the material becomes increasingly important. Even MDF is gonna flex at certain lengths. Which is the reason for so much bracing in home enclosures. I'd be very interested in the reading though if you ever do get that chance to do the testing. Sounds interesting. Until then, I will continue to use MDF to avoid TCAB style flames You missed applied my word huge, I was referring to huge baffles and probably should have used the word thick. With a 15" BL you should be running at minimum a 1.5" baffle IMO, I personally would probably run a 2.25" with a TON of bracing. Of course, the BL period is not for me. By the way, "not seeing" flexing is a really funny statement. Your eyes (everyones) suck at this sort of thing and couldn't see it even if it is grossly moving. You have to realize that if you box happens to have a baffle with 4x the area of your sub and moves just a little bit it will significantly alter your frequency response. In particular for frequencies that don't require your sub to move a ton. I have definitely heard enclosures where there was nearly as much sound emanating from the enclosure walls instead of the sub itself. If you want any sort of reasonable frequency response this will defeat that and sound like chit. Particle board is really weak stuff and will most definitely do this. Oh and my little Rli8 with only 250w in a 3/4" (it was temp) baffle .4cuft box was able to flex the baffle and side walls. As to your comment about not taking advice from the board, if you have already made up your mind at what you are going to do perhaps you shouldn't be asking people on a board for advice. Pretty stupid to ask something, get an answer that is uniform from everyone responding and then ignore it. Especially when there is a lot of very well car audio educated people on this board in particular. Obviously stupid to ignore good advice in particular when you asked for it. To the OP, since your box doesn't fit it gives you a chance to actually do it right. IMO you should try to get as much internal volume as you can get up to the manufacturers specs, I am sure it will make you happier. And if you do decide to do this with particle board again, I am with NeonR and will say don't bother updating your thread here or posting again as ignoring everyone here again is something that will not benefit the board and is better left to places with only drama and bs like caraudio.com

We had a hell of a thunderstorm last night. You could read a book by the lightning at 3am. Of course it sucks as I had planned on fishing today, but think they are going to be buttoned up for a few days. There goes the weekends plans

Lots of good ones. In fact for what you are doing I wouldn't shy away from used. It all depends on what exactly you think you need.

Personally I'd lower the tuning, but that is me. It depends on your application of course. At 35hz it is going to be loud, but peaky at the same time. I of course would jump off the other end and try to tune her as flat as possible.

I'm sure it is. I just wanna keep it simple, and a 165 band equalizer doesnt sound too simple to me. Not so sure I agree with that statement at all. You are already into the "complicated" diy setup and having extra eq doesn't mean you have to use, you only need to eq what you feel you need. The flexibility of an off board proc is so much further than any headunit and for that reason alone is a superb option.

What exactly do you have, what are you plans and goals, what sort of car is it and what sort of budget do you have? I am not sure I understand where you are coming from or what you want to do. Midbass will come with installation and not drivers. If you really want it you are going to need to copiously deaden your doors. Also, if you were into SPL comps midbass and front stage won't help anyways. To win their it is all about playing a single note really loud, of course at the expense of how everything else sounds. This of course is the reason for Jim's statement. SPL is the exact opposite of SQ. One peaky note in your frequency response versus a very smooth and balanced frequency response. Regrettably you can't have both as to get either from your subs you do the exact opposite things.

At least in the boat they get some old school PPI love (of course the other two channels are powering some RF 6x9's in little truck boxes). Again with super hot gains and typically run full throttle. I am really impressed the PPI lives. Makes me want some, but also makes me wary of used gear if this is what the average idiot does. And he isn't even an idiot.

Of course his gains are run super hot and that really, really helps.

Never pulled the door off one, but they indeed have some stupid ass speakers mounted up high. I wanna say 4x10's but it has been more than a year since my friend who has one asked what 6 speakers he should buy for his truck. Of course he ignored me completely and went with all Infinity crap from crutchfield in a pre-fab sealed box with power akoustik amps. His truck sounds like complete and utter shit too. Note he isn't a great friend but someone I socialize with on the lake a lot. He got bit by the buy one get one free on the Infinities and bought 4. Two for his boat and one for his and his girls car. God I hate those subs. No lows, peaky even in the right box and the output is crap.

Anytime MN plays its good.

I have hit my head before and probably will again. Luckily no sleeping in the water for me yesterday!

I am going to where our KS friend has never been. Off to the lake to get stinkin' drunk and relax. Wifey and me both took the afternoon off. See you all later

quality, lol.

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Holy crap who are the 16 idiots that bid on this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-1972...1QQcmdZViewItem

Obviously by chops I don't mean lamb chops

Cool underground is a funny term to me. I will say that from the description you gave the dude sounds like a tool; however, if you were an elitist in the sense that you really only liked musicians with serious, serious chops that is something I can respect. Of course no underground anything from the past 15 years can fit that definition.

Thanks guys.

Or sell that Nav and buy an Alpine nav/controller to work with an H701.

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Contra sweet. Just a bit of good news on the career side for me. I am one small order away from the goal I set for myself for the whole year, which by the way was 70% more than the territory had ever done. That order comes next week which makes me done for the year. I also had a hell of a nice one on one with my boss and perhaps am one step away now from being the National Sales Director instead of just a Regional. It will be a two step process, but everything other than a small region around our office in Boston could be under Sean's direction very soon if I play my cards right. So far, I am proving to be a good card player in this instance but we shall see. Wish me luck

for a minute i thought you were talking about me, but i was an arseho way before i had any knowledge whatta ya mean for a minute? he was talking about you.

I mostly like to post there to go after people giving bad advice. For about 10 minutes every 3 months.