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Well hey i don't mind! Making a product better and still paying the same price as its previous model seems like a mighty fine idea to me. Mighty fine

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Oh! I was not aware of the db-r page. I'm very sorry about that. If somebody on the upper end could move this the db-r section that would be great!! Thanks!

yeah i know me too, i wish i had the money when they did that

Ha thanks banginGMC. i want them to come out NOW

i'm really relieved to hear that! I doubted that Chris didn't test the amp properly and i was more afraid of the fact that i had some freakish way harmed the product. I'll probably contact db-r tonight

Sounds like whats happening to my SAZ-3000d

Yeah within this week i'm going to try to test another amp on the wiring and test the sundown in another car. So far though it looks like my setup is okay after some DMM stuff but the only real way to assess it is to test it! And my guess is that Chris' fix didn't really fix. Either that or another problem evolved out of the sundown! I very much doubt that he did anything half-ass to send my way. He probably doesn't want to ever see my 3000 again like i never want to see that protection light again.

Thanks for all the replies! And i haven't talked to Jacob other than him telling me to contact db-r the first round of the issue. For the most part i was talking to Chris i believe. And yeah i was a little heated before, it's just so frustrating after all this time of trying to get my BTL to move! You guys are right about buying a refurbished product, i should expect such problems. Now it may take me a few more hours to calm down to the point of wanting to pay $30 to have this shipped back. ha. And just the turn around time sucks since it takes 5 business days to ship there. So i'll give them another chance and i mean hey, i could have done something wrong too! I'm human as well as they are. and to CrazyKenKid, i don't know about you, but i would never spent $600 on an amplifier or any electronic with a 10 or 20 day warranty. hahaha

So as some of you may know, for some reason some force doesn't want me to get my system together and up and running. My thread explaining previous issues Well i also had problems with my refurbished saz-3000d from db-r which i also started my own thread. Sundown problems SO the sundown came back in the mail today as planned and needless to say, i was very excited. Finally my system was going to be up and running!! I mean, what else could go wrong??? Well, as it currently seems the sundown was not probably repaired. Here's what happened: I hooked up the amp probably as the manual indicated. I set the subsonic to about ~25 hz range. gain was zero. Bast boost was zero. subwoofer volume on HU all the way up. So i turned the gain to about 1/4 and turned the volume slowly up on the head unit and i was getting no output. So i turned the bass boost up a little and then it went into protect mode. keep in mind the volume on the head unit was about 7 at this time. So i messed around with gain and bass boost settings trying different combos (boost zero, gain up, gain zero, boost up, all sorts of things). Now unlike before i sent the amp to db-r, i could get the BTL to move! But just a little little bit. i couldn't really even hear it, but with my finger tips on the dust cap i could feel it. SO whenever i tried to get any realistic output, the amp would go into protect mode. So i un-hooked the speaker cable and everything went fine then. I used a DMM to estimate the output to around 2000 watts on a 35hz test tone at HU volume 20. With the sub hooked up again, it went into protect mode at volume level 6. so THEN i decided to check the grounds and noticed my ground point was a body ground, not a chassis ground. so i connected that bolt straight to the chassis and decided to test everything again! The same story happened except for after the second time the amp went into protect after the upgraded ground, it stayed in protect. Its doing exactly what it did before i sent it back to db-r. With everything unhooked (RCA's and speaker cable) the amp still goes straight into protect. no matter what i do straight into protect. I even tested it with some 4 gauge power and ground wires i use for my alpine 3522. This is what db-r had to say about my 3000: It has some bad outputs. I see that before refurbing it had same problem, so I was very cautious with it this time. I am pretty sure I found the problem. When I went to turn the volume up just a little on the bench I heard a little pop sound inside (like electrical arcing) so I turned it off and looked really good for anything shorting or broken and I noticed that these 2 coils, right in front of the relays, the factory had installed them too close together and they had been rubbing each other and causing a short from one side of the output banks to the other before the relays. I put a piece of heavy plastic wedged in between the 2 and siliconed it in place and now no more problems (so far) will test it for a while this morning on the batteries at higher volume to make sure it is now stable. I have a few things to say about this. And please try to understand, this is my only experience with sundown. It seems like this amp missed a quality control check?? He even said that it left the factory like that. So do they test the amps before sending them out? I assume they do and mine just missed the ticket.. and then i'm assuming some guy bought it, had my problem, and sent it back. Then it appears that db-r missed this problem and sent it to me when i purchased it from db-r. THEN even after sending it back to db-r, it appears the problem still isn't fixed. Now i'm not saying that db-r didn't test the hell out of this amp after i sent it to them. I'm just saying it doesn't function properly. I don't see how i could have ever harmed it any way. To make sure there isn't some problem on my end, i'm either going to borrow a buddies amp or have my fathers friend who works at Bose take a look at it. Needless to say, my father and i both believe that there is no way we could have harmed it. So i hate to have bad feelings and i like to think i handle these situations pretty well, but it's getting pretty hard to keep my faith in Sundown. In all honestly, i hope i'm doing something wrong on my end which i'll figure out within this week. If i have been doing everything properly, which i think i have, i'm not sure what i want to do. I know for DAMN sure i don't want to pay to ship this thing back to db-r AGAIN. the fact that i had to pay $30 to ship it back to them for a mistake they made in the first place is atrocious and i'll be deeply saddened if they make me do so again. If the amp is indeed faulty due to means outside of my control, i'm not sure if i want to see it again which sucks cause i don't know if they have another saz-3000d laying around or if they would even be willing to hand it over as an exchange! But as of right now, i'm unsure if i want that one back even if they fix it. Maybe i can get a refund? Hell they will make money if they do since i got it on some sort of sale (%10 or %20 i think). I really, really hope it doesn't come to that point because i want a damn Sundown! After all this work i want to see what these bad boys can do! I haven't had the chance! So if anyone has actually read all this, does anyone have any advice? At all? Thanks for reading

Thats what i was afraid of. Thanks again impious! I really liked the idea of the smaller ones, they would be much easier to fit!

AQ 2200 is in your budget and does rated power

Thanks Impious! It was actually your post on another thread in which you suggested that TangBand can be utilized for a good midbass set-up. I should have been more clear in my original post because i have found those dealers but i can't seem to find anywhere that sells the 8" midbass! I'm not too serious about buying any, just cruising around and thinking of future possibilities. So would you by any chance know anywhere where i could get the 8" mid-bass driver? W8-1722 is the model number. And any idea why the price on the 6 inch midbass is almost twice the cost as everyother one? And i don't know much about midbass at all, but would the 4" or 6" midbass really move alot of air? I have virtually no experience in this part of car audio but my Alpine 3522 seems like it would be perfect for those little 4" which wouldn't wouldn't be too bad cause then i wouldn't have to buy another amp! ha. thanks for the info!!

Does anyone know where i can buy Tang Band speakers? Also, has anyone on here bought from ikesounds.com? are they legit or scammers? thanks!

DO IT!!! DO IT!!!

Found this PioneerGM-X524 amp with two 12"jbl subs (look like pieces of crap) on craigslist for only $100. i don't really care about the subs, but i was wondering if anyone has ever used this amp and what they have experienced with it? How does it handle heat dissipation after long periods of playing? Is it low quality? Just wondering what people have experienced with it. thanks!

shipped to me yesterday! should be here monday

This is what i just got from db-r!! It has some bad outputs. I see that before refurbing it had same problem, so I was very cautious with it this time. I am pretty sure I found the problem. When I went to turn the volume up just a little on the bench I heard a little pop sound inside (like electrical arcing) so I turned it off and looked really good for anything shorting or broken and I noticed that these 2 coils, right in front of the relays, the factory had installed them too close together and they had been rubbing each other and causing a short from one side of the output banks to the other before the relays. I put a piece of heavy plastic wedged in between the 2 and siliconed it in place and now no more problems (so far) will test it for a while this morning on the batteries at higher volume to make sure it is now stable.

waiting to hear back on that from db-r. They sim[ly said that it was back together and they were going to do some testing before it will be shipped. I didn't even know it was ever taken apart!

Yeah thanks me too! It's been a long, long, wait. Now with my luck something will be wrong with the sub lol. But it shouldn't be. Pop tested it with a nine volt and it works fine, measured it with a DMM and i got 1 home coming out so it's looking like all is well! I just really hope the box i built is adequate.

Got an e-mail!!! The amp is now "back together" and is going to receive some hellish testing tomorrow before it comes back my way (hopefully also ships out tomorrow). I responded and asked what was wrong with it. So i'm excited!! It takes 5 days about to ship, so if i'm lucky, i'll get it on saturday! Not going to blow a gasket if i don't. though, what's another few days??

jealous of your vehicle... i wanted one so badly but i got too much snow where i go to school to get one.... one day

So i thought i'd throw in an update. Db-r received the amp on 4/19. on 4/23 i asked if any progress was being made. I received no response so on 4/26 i e-mailed Chris to see what was up only to discover that db-r was doing some moving and other work which made me feel bad. i felt bad even e-mailing Chris cause i knew something like that would be the case. So db-r re-opened yesterday and hopefully i'll get some information from them by tuesday! maybe... what's wrong with the amp to start with!! ha.

This video might answer your question!! so it appears that it's their intent for the holes to not be there, but they are? not sure. But yeah i just drilled mine out.

yeah i would love to check your system out! maybe sometime when mine is actually done... haha