someone please explain what "Active Front Stage" is without biteing off my head please...

Acitve = using electronic crossovers.

Front stage = an oxymoron referring to the drivers located to the front of the listener.

so if i use the Kove audio Aphex Ax1 Signal processor i have an Active front stage ?!!!?

what about the crossovers in the doors just before the componets ?

Active = Only using electronic crossovers.

Im not familiar with that "signal processor" link me if you want my opinion.

Koveaudio.com seems to be missing ??? cant find it ?

The item you have is a sonic processor. Not a Crossover.

so if i use the Kove audio Aphex Ax1 Signal processor i have an Active front stage ?!!!?

what about the crossovers in the doors just before the componets ?

i thought you said you have an alpine 9887.

that unit is capable of processing a 2-way active stage + subwoofer. no need for an external processor if you want a 2-way setup.

i guess i dont understand.

can someone explaine it in such a way as an SPL nut can get it ? without the sarcassim ?

i thought it was a nice setup ?

i lisened to you before and my HU problem was resolved... i went with the Alpine 9887

cant remember if i thanked you or not:) but if not

i can get it i just have never been involved to know what is required of an SQ system.

so if i use the Kove audio Aphex Ax1 Signal processor i have an Active front stage ?!!!?

what about the crossovers in the doors just before the componets ?

i thought you said you have an alpine 9887.

that unit is capable of processing a 2-way active stage + subwoofer. no need for an external processor if you want a 2-way setup.

i guess i dont understand.

can someone explaine it in such a way as an SPL nut can get it ? without the sarcassim ?

i thought it was a nice setup ?

i lisened to you before and my HU problem was resolved... i went with the Alpine 9887

cant remember if i thanked you or not:) but if not

i can get it i just have never been involved to know what is required of an SQ system.

i do have the Alpine 9887

but i havent read the whole manual yet its thick.... just skimmed it to set the crossovers and clock...

it will do way more than i need for SPL....havent figured out how to program everything...i have ordered the cd for the Imprint...

Edited October 19, 200717 yr by Lord Baccus

All you'd need to do to use the Alpine for active is to have four channels of amplification...one pair for the tweets, the other for the midbasses. Instead of front/rear preouts, you'd have high frequency/low frequency preouts instead.

All you'd need to do to use the Alpine for active is to have four channels of amplification...one pair for the tweets, the other for the midbasses. Instead of front/rear preouts, you'd have high frequency/low frequency preouts instead.

where in the manual is the instructions on how to do that ???

does this make a bigg differance in the way it sounds ?

Yes, it will sound way worse at first until you start to understand and tweak the settings at which time you will have a way of customizing your speakers to sound better than in their stock format both in staging and response. The more you play around, the more the deadening and installation will make a difference. You will then get addicted to shopping for better drivers once you have optimized what you currently have costing you more money and time on the net, but is it worth it?? Yep.

LB this would be a great way to improve the overall sound in your explorer and maybe get to see things from the side of the SQ guys too.

but don't expect it to be easy and instantly gratifying.

All you'd need to do to use the Alpine for active is to have four channels of amplification...one pair for the tweets, the other for the midbasses. Instead of front/rear preouts, you'd have high frequency/low frequency preouts instead.

Hold on a durn second. the alpine deck itself acts as an active cross over? As in I dont' need to buy a seperate unit??

I can use one pair or RCA's as the highs and the other as the mids?

I'm just trying to clarify.. If this is the case I know what my deck will be.

I also get grossly confused with the whole active issue. Are there any other decks that can do this?

Lord, sorry to thread jack!!

Edited October 23, 200717 yr by dem beats

All you'd need to do to use the Alpine for active is to have four channels of amplification...one pair for the tweets, the other for the midbasses. Instead of front/rear preouts, you'd have high frequency/low frequency preouts instead.

Hold on a durn second. the alpine deck itself acts as an active cross over? As in I dont' need to buy a seperate unit??

I can use one pair or RCA's as the highs and the other as the mids?

I'm just trying to clarify.. If this is the case I know what my deck will be.

I also get grossly confused with the whole active issue. Are there any other decks that can do this?

Lord, sorry to thread jack!!

no problem bro

just happy to be moving in the right direction...

all i need to do is read the Manual too figure out how to do it

Edited October 23, 200717 yr by Lord Baccus

Only Alpine headunits that have the Bass Engine Pro feature can be used for a 2 way + sub active system.

There are others, I just can't remember them all.

eclipse has some i am sure...i know those alpine 9887 have the Imprint feature...which is a technology that will basically equlize your outputs to make a flat in vehicle response....alpine dealers should have the imprint unit to set this up....basically they will set up a mic in the drivers listening position, and this measures the response of the vehicle, then the computer inversely(not sure how else to say it) eqalizes the signal vs. the vehicles response making a near flat response... and it also does time corection....

then you cna fine tune it from there also

my shop did it and from what i am told...actually sounds very good...i was considering picking one of these up, up until i realized i am about 1220 in debt!

but you could definetely run a full active front stage and make it sound really good, with or without using imprint...just a lot of tweaking

Only Alpine headunits that have the Bass Engine Pro feature can be used for a 2 way + sub active system.

There are others, I just can't remember them all.

If that squirelle has nuts, I wouldn't mess with him. I never read the banner before.. LMAO anyway.

so that 9887 HU acts as an active crossover at the HU and I don't need anything else?

Amazing. That's pretty much what I was looking for I might be sold. I was looking at eclipse too but hrmm... this may close the deal so to speak. I was going to go active but it was all getting so complicated..... My poor brain wasn't working anymore.

just to be sure...

SO right out of the box I pop in the alpine and the HU is capable of acting as an active Xover, without me buying some other multiple hundred dollar thingymabober? I'm wet my pants excited at the prospect. I supose it would limit me to 2 ways, but oh well it would clear up hella more funds for some kick ass mids.

eclipse has some i am sure...i know those alpine 9887 have the Imprint feature...which is a technology that will basically equlize your outputs to make a flat in vehicle response....alpine dealers should have the imprint unit to set this up....basically they will set up a mic in the drivers listening position, and this measures the response of the vehicle, then the computer inversely(not sure how else to say it) eqalizes the signal vs. the vehicles response making a near flat response... and it also does time corection....

then you cna fine tune it from there also

my shop did it and from what i am told...actually sounds very good...i was considering picking one of these up, up until i realized i am about 1220 in debt!

but you could definetely run a full active front stage and make it sound really good, with or without using imprint...just a lot of tweaking

Imprint does sound pretty cool.. I just didn't want to have to up front throw down another 500 bucks to use the active xover feature.

Thanks for the personal experience though, it's helpfull to have that. I don't know of any shop in MN that would help me out with that imprint feature, and I refuse to pay what the local shops ask for in alpine prices. I live in MN and there are no good deals going on here anywhere. I can find the 9887 for over 300 bucks less online and no tax or shipping, no one would even negotiate on that specific unit.

If there was a local trust worthy small shop I would check it out I try to suport local tallent, but all we have are big box stores with jack asses working there. The only nice guy I met had his hands tied wish a 25 dollar rebate intill christmass season.

Thanks for all the help guys, if anyone knows of another HU that out of the box is set up to run active Xovers let me know. I liked the look of the alpine and it seams to get good reviews but the menue system really sucked when I tried it.. but I supose I woudl get used to it.

the 9887 still has the dip switch on the chassis that needs to be switched to 3way mode . Once you decide to go active , start on page 15 of the manual and read that whole section . Then your going to need to pull the head unit and flip the switch from f/r sub to 3 way. IT's all explained in that section in the manual . IT is very very similar to the older bass engine pro setup , just a couple little differences.

Edit - page 42 in the manual covers the crossover switch on the chassis of the head unit I was referring too

the 9887 still has the dip switch on the chassis that needs to be switched to 3way mode . Once you decide to go active , start on page 15 of the manual and read that whole section . Then your going to need to pull the head unit and flip the switch from f/r sub to 3 way. IT's all explained in that section in the manual . IT is very very similar to the older bass engine pro setup , just a couple little differences.

Edit - page 42 in the manual covers the crossover switch on the chassis of the head unit I was referring too

Dude you came in and slam dunked my question.

Ramos FTW.

I didn't knwo that receiver was so capable. When you say 3 way you are in referance to high mids then sub stage right? Just wanted to be clear.

I actualy do remember the whole bass engine from years back.... I think one of my old HU's had that.. thanks for all the help sir. Yoda alwas handles bizness

Now I will have to start looking at drivers.

=)

I think I feel a purchace coming on this thursday for pay day!

When you say 3 way you are in referance to high mids then sub stage right?

Yes.

eclipse has some i am sure...i know those alpine 9887 have the Imprint feature...which is a technology that will basically equlize your outputs to make a flat in vehicle response....alpine dealers should have the imprint unit to set this up....basically they will set up a mic in the drivers listening position, and this measures the response of the vehicle, then the computer inversely(not sure how else to say it) eqalizes the signal vs. the vehicles response making a near flat response... and it also does time corection....

then you cna fine tune it from there also

my shop did it and from what i am told...actually sounds very good...i was considering picking one of these up, up until i realized i am about 1220 in debt!

but you could definetely run a full active front stage and make it sound really good, with or without using imprint...just a lot of tweaking

Imprint does sound pretty cool.. I just didn't want to have to up front throw down another 500 bucks to use the active xover feature.

Thanks for the personal experience though, it's helpfull to have that. I don't know of any shop in MN that would help me out with that imprint feature, and I refuse to pay what the local shops ask for in alpine prices. I live in MN and there are no good deals going on here anywhere. I can find the 9887 for over 300 bucks less online and no tax or shipping, no one would even negotiate on that specific unit.

If there was a local trust worthy small shop I would check it out I try to suport local tallent, but all we have are big box stores with jack asses working there. The only nice guy I met had his hands tied wish a 25 dollar rebate intill christmass season.

Thanks for all the help guys, if anyone knows of another HU that out of the box is set up to run active Xovers let me know. I liked the look of the alpine and it seams to get good reviews but the menue system really sucked when I tried it.. but I supose I woudl get used to it.

i'm am from MN...where in MN are you...if you are looking for a shop...Audio Designs in winona carries the 9887 and i think they have it listed at 400...plus the 9887 also has a graphic or parametric eq, ipod interface, good processing the active x-over, and who knows what else...it's a hell of a deal for a HU either way...PM me and i could talk to someone at the shop...i have a few friends over there

eclipse has some i am sure...i know those alpine 9887 have the Imprint feature...which is a technology that will basically equlize your outputs to make a flat in vehicle response....alpine dealers should have the imprint unit to set this up....basically they will set up a mic in the drivers listening position, and this measures the response of the vehicle, then the computer inversely(not sure how else to say it) eqalizes the signal vs. the vehicles response making a near flat response... and it also does time corection....

then you cna fine tune it from there also

my shop did it and from what i am told...actually sounds very good...i was considering picking one of these up, up until i realized i am about 1220 in debt!

but you could definetely run a full active front stage and make it sound really good, with or without using imprint...just a lot of tweaking

Imprint does sound pretty cool.. I just didn't want to have to up front throw down another 500 bucks to use the active xover feature.

Thanks for the personal experience though, it's helpfull to have that. I don't know of any shop in MN that would help me out with that imprint feature, and I refuse to pay what the local shops ask for in alpine prices. I live in MN and there are no good deals going on here anywhere. I can find the 9887 for over 300 bucks less online and no tax or shipping, no one would even negotiate on that specific unit.

If there was a local trust worthy small shop I would check it out I try to suport local tallent, but all we have are big box stores with jack asses working there. The only nice guy I met had his hands tied wish a 25 dollar rebate intill christmass season.

Thanks for all the help guys, if anyone knows of another HU that out of the box is set up to run active Xovers let me know. I liked the look of the alpine and it seams to get good reviews but the menue system really sucked when I tried it.. but I supose I woudl get used to it.

i'm am from MN...where in MN are you...if you are looking for a shop...Audio Designs in winona carries the 9887 and i think they have it listed at 400...plus the 9887 also has a graphic or parametric eq, ipod interface, good processing the active x-over, and who knows what else...it's a hell of a deal for a HU either way...PM me and i could talk to someone at the shop...i have a few friends over there

WHAAAAT swetness. I'm in MPLS PMing you my man.

eclipse has some i am sure...i know those alpine 9887 have the Imprint feature...which is a technology that will basically equlize your outputs to make a flat in vehicle response....alpine dealers should have the imprint unit to set this up....basically they will set up a mic in the drivers listening position, and this measures the response of the vehicle, then the computer inversely(not sure how else to say it) eqalizes the signal vs. the vehicles response making a near flat response... and it also does time corection....

then you cna fine tune it from there also

my shop did it and from what i am told...actually sounds very good...i was considering picking one of these up, up until i realized i am about 1220 in debt!

but you could definetely run a full active front stage and make it sound really good, with or without using imprint...just a lot of tweaking

Imprint does sound pretty cool.. I just didn't want to have to up front throw down another 500 bucks to use the active xover feature.

Thanks for the personal experience though, it's helpfull to have that. I don't know of any shop in MN that would help me out with that imprint feature, and I refuse to pay what the local shops ask for in alpine prices. I live in MN and there are no good deals going on here anywhere. I can find the 9887 for over 300 bucks less online and no tax or shipping, no one would even negotiate on that specific unit.

If there was a local trust worthy small shop I would check it out I try to suport local tallent, but all we have are big box stores with jack asses working there. The only nice guy I met had his hands tied wish a 25 dollar rebate intill christmass season.

Thanks for all the help guys, if anyone knows of another HU that out of the box is set up to run active Xovers let me know. I liked the look of the alpine and it seams to get good reviews but the menue system really sucked when I tried it.. but I supose I woudl get used to it.

i'm am from MN...where in MN are you...if you are looking for a shop...Audio Designs in winona carries the 9887 and i think they have it listed at 400...plus the 9887 also has a graphic or parametric eq, ipod interface, good processing the active x-over, and who knows what else...it's a hell of a deal for a HU either way...PM me and i could talk to someone at the shop...i have a few friends over there

WHAAAAT swetness. I'm in MPLS PMing you my man.

sounds good...mpls isn't too far from winona...maybe 2 or 2.5 hours...depends how you drive