and are you dead set on variable power?

Stefan, what is the range of distances you would want to shoot?

like 100-400 yards max kinda thing?

For the 308, I'd like to shoot as far as I can, until some super expensive scope is needed. I've seen testing with some of the "cheaper" scopes, and they were shooting 308s at 700yards ish.

I don't expect to just go out, and shoot far, but I would like to progress. So I understand the further away requires better glass, and mag.

So I was hoping I would be able to eventually shoot at least in the 500y range.

Obviously in the mean time on the 22, it will be drastically limited, and would likely require a somewhat low mag.

I'm figuring the more variable, the more costly, which isn't exactly working in my favor, but I'm pretty sure it's what I'll need.

I should probably grasp a better idea on the size of target and distance, as 100y small target could be much harder to hit then 300y bigger target.

So yeah I'm all over the place, and new to this.

I guess the best way to clarify things for now, is a variable scope that fits within a $600 budget that would mag low enough to do some close shooting with the 22, but far enough to still have some fun with the 308.

This could be a pretty awesome option.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P50716.aspx

Here is another option.

http://swfa.com/Vortex-25-10x44-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44567.aspx

I apologize for making things difficult, as this is similar to saying: I want SQ & SPL, small box & high efficiency, and only want to spend $50.00

I should probably grasp a better idea on the size of target and distance, as 100y small target could be much harder to hit then 300y bigger target.

You need to read that article i showed you. A good scope can see a target at 1000 yards with ~10x

I apologize for making things difficult, as this is similar to saying: I want SQ & SPL, small box & high efficiency, and only want to spend $50.00

We all want it. I'm not harshing you on this because of your budget or desires. I'm a little gruff and blunt because optics are stupid hard to get right. And when you take into account the fact rifles in the field get punished pretty badly, then it has to be precise and rugged. That is what makes the cost go up.

I should probably grasp a better idea on the size of target and distance, as 100y small target could be much harder to hit then 300y bigger target.

You need to read that article i showed you. A good scope can see a target at 1000 yards with ~10x

I'll do that now, I just skimmed it earlier.

More than anything Stefan I would rather have more gun enthusiasts. If you get crappy gear you will more than likely be upset and may not enjoy the fun as much as you would have before.

Do you understand how MOA, and MRAD work yet and how elevation clicks work etc?

This is a super duper video for anyone who isn't familiar.

Then here is for MRAD

I like MRAD, but neither is "better".

*Watches videos*

I'll likely get a book too.

Edited June 6, 201213 yr by dem beats

I'm the king of conference call posting.

Head tilted to the side, phone against shoulder, and fingers typing

or:

Bluetooth headset walking around throwing a football in the air, and occasionally bending down to type another ihop post.

Which is it?

Neither. Plantronics wired ITE headset with dual monitors on the work computer and a second computer sitting on the L section of my desk.

So I am confused and need motorhead help.

My boat had an interesting problem. If I ran 5000rpm's for 5-10minutes it would all of sudden shut off (or at least severely drop in rpm's) sound the ecu warning buzzer, shutter and then rev back up. Sometimes it would shut completely off. Acted exactly like it was running out of fuel, had water in the gas, or air in the line.

So the fix was that I cleaned the raw water intake screen. WTF?? Basically it is an open cooling system so it pulls water from the lake via a pump. After this pump there is a little screen to prevent things from going into the motor. I pulled some weeds out of that screen. There was no over temperature or flow issue according to the gauges on the dash so why was the ECU shutting the boat off or was this a mechanical hiccup?

I seriously don't get it and would like to understand. No way, no how would my troubleshooting have found that. Found it on a Malibu forum, but I didn't believe it would do jack shit. It did...

What does it use for engine management and does it have a radiator and coolant or just use lake water?

Just lake water. Engine management is a MEFI (Marine) but I think it's just a potted standard GM EFI unit. Vortec 350 pretty much circa 2004.

Matt,

I haven't looked that much into specific scopes, or even which magnification range I want, but this thought crossed my mind:

Get a fancy scope now, put it on the 22 I already have, plink shit as far as the 22 will do, and down the road get the 308.

Then I still get to shoot some shit now, and later I'll have the round I want.

Only issues I see: Fitting a big ass scope on the 22 (smith and wesson m&p15-22), and getting one that has a big enough magnification range that I can set it at lowest for the 22, and higher for longer range shit with the 308.

So am I asking for a scope to do too much, at least one that would be under $600.00?

I wouldn't mind buying used, but I'm also not sure if that becomes a big deal if it's somehow fucked up.

Or entire idea just a bad idea?

Let me dig a bit for you. i like the idea verry much for you. once you can bughole your. 22 at 100 yards move up to something else.

I am on my tablet so give me a few and I will do some digging.

I love it as well, not from a shooting perspective but a money and usage perspective.

and are you dead set on variable power?

I know nothing of scopes, but prime lenses are always the best.

So I am confused and need motorhead help.

My boat had an interesting problem. If I ran 5000rpm's for 5-10minutes it would all of sudden shut off (or at least severely drop in rpm's) sound the ecu warning buzzer, shutter and then rev back up. Sometimes it would shut completely off. Acted exactly like it was running out of fuel, had water in the gas, or air in the line.

So the fix was that I cleaned the raw water intake screen. WTF?? Basically it is an open cooling system so it pulls water from the lake via a pump. After this pump there is a little screen to prevent things from going into the motor. I pulled some weeds out of that screen. There was no over temperature or flow issue according to the gauges on the dash so why was the ECU shutting the boat off or was this a mechanical hiccup?

I seriously don't get it and would like to understand. No way, no how would my troubleshooting have found that. Found it on a Malibu forum, but I didn't believe it would do jack shit. It did...

What does it use for engine management and does it have a radiator and coolant or just use lake water?

Just lake water. Engine management is a MEFI (Marine) but I think it's just a potted standard GM EFI unit. Vortec 350 pretty much circa 2004.

I don't know anything about marine coding or requirements, so I doubt I could. A simple temp change can alter the entire map. Does it have any temp sensors or emmissions equipment on it?

So I am confused and need motorhead help.

My boat had an interesting problem. If I ran 5000rpm's for 5-10minutes it would all of sudden shut off (or at least severely drop in rpm's) sound the ecu warning buzzer, shutter and then rev back up. Sometimes it would shut completely off. Acted exactly like it was running out of fuel, had water in the gas, or air in the line.

So the fix was that I cleaned the raw water intake screen. WTF?? Basically it is an open cooling system so it pulls water from the lake via a pump. After this pump there is a little screen to prevent things from going into the motor. I pulled some weeds out of that screen. There was no over temperature or flow issue according to the gauges on the dash so why was the ECU shutting the boat off or was this a mechanical hiccup?

I seriously don't get it and would like to understand. No way, no how would my troubleshooting have found that. Found it on a Malibu forum, but I didn't believe it would do jack shit. It did...

What does it use for engine management and does it have a radiator and coolant or just use lake water?

Just lake water. Engine management is a MEFI (Marine) but I think it's just a potted standard GM EFI unit. Vortec 350 pretty much circa 2004.

I don't know anything about marine coding or requirements, so I doubt I could. A simple temp change can alter the entire map. Does it have any temp sensors or emmissions equipment on it?

Yep. Sure does. Would it measure temp somewhere outside of the water itself?

It did die at idle 2x tonight though which makes me wonder if that is truly the problem.

Cap/rotor look fine. Coil & Fuel Pump may be something I look into next.

Oh shit, it has a distributor? Does it have the GM HEI with the coil on top? If so, change the coil. I was going to say coil breakup, but I figured being as new as it was and being injected, it would have EDIS (electronic distributor-less ignition system). Like you don't know WTF I'm talking about. What a night.

Plug wires can act the same way.

Shit is fine until it gets hot, then it's like a fucking switch turns on and tells everything to act stupid.