Maybe I am completely off base here, but you are 21ish correct? I started listing with nationally competitive lifters and coaches whe I was 17, managed a nutrition store for 2 years and kept logs of diet and work outs for >5 years. So that is well into 13 years of research. Not limited to myself either. I have coached people in person. Helped my roommate put on 25 pounds of lean muscle in < 3 years. Almost doubling his lift figures and he had experience lifting previously. Also coached him with rehab for his fucked apart knees. My wife has lost 20 pounds and that is a fucking miracle to get a wife to listen to her husband.

Trod actually went to school to learn this stuff. Every mainstream coach and trainer for college and pro athletic organizations follow a really similar strategy.

What I am saying isn't that I know more or read more or even tried harder than you. What I am saying is your assumption that the gold standard is wrong, without having at least given it a good trial is silly. And that maybe you should consider that there are people who do research as hard as you do also. You are totally right to think that maybe everyone else has just been thinking incorrectly, shit everyone KNEW the earth was flat at one point.

A great point related is how some of the west coast guys changed how we train for squats. West Side (not sure if that was the gym) I think still has 0 injuries and a ton of titles. But the coaches and lifters there got there by evaluating what the goal was and who was the current champ, then building on that platform. Even if it is a total revitalization from the ground up, following in the path of people who forged the way is always the best rout. If you find a better way then improve and go your own way. It just makes more sense that way.

Then again I have no idea what your goals are other than to have a lottle lower bf% and to do 1 armed pull ups. Which by the way is bad ass as fuck. I knew a kid in highschool wjo could do 10. He was a freak.

So there is a Cincinnati Bengals cheerleader who pleaded guilty to having sex with a 17 year old student while she was a teacher. Not shocking. But the reply to the story from some random guy on the NFL forums wins at everything. Forever. "If 17 year old guys can't nail cheerleaders, the terrorists have won".

LoL

Maybe I am completely off base here, but you are 21ish correct? I started listing with nationally competitive lifters and coaches whe I was 17, managed a nutrition store for 2 years and kept logs of diet and work outs for >5 years. So that is well into 13 years of research. Not limited to myself either. I have coached people in person. Helped my roommate put on 25 pounds of lean muscle in < 3 years. Almost doubling his lift figures and he had experience lifting previously. Also coached him with rehab for his fucked apart knees. My wife has lost 20 pounds and that is a fucking miracle to get a wife to listen to her husband.

Trod actually went to school to learn this stuff. Every mainstream coach and trainer for college and pro athletic organizations follow a really similar strategy.

What I am saying isn't that I know more or read more or even tried harder than you. What I am saying is your assumption that the gold standard is wrong, without having at least given it a good trial is silly. And that maybe you should consider that there are people who do research as hard as you do also. You are totally right to think that maybe everyone else has just been thinking incorrectly, shit everyone KNEW the earth was flat at one point.

I wasn't meaning anyone specifically. And I do agree that it is a bit silly for me to simply skip the standard, and try something outlandish, but when I've seen success stories and pictures from people who have tried the conventional diet and exercise for losing weight, haven't had success, and then tried this outlandish method, and end up literally shedding fat off, and fixing most of their health problems then I'm sorta sold. This anecdotal stuff in conjunction with the studies that I've read (and that don't have some bullshit extrapolation like it was actually tested on mice, and they just presumed it was the same for humans) has just lead me down a different path. Perhaps good, perhaps not.

I know I'm sorta mixing in what I consider healthy and losing weight in with building lean mass, but it's something I'm willing to compromise for.

A great point related is how some of the west coast guys changed how we train for squats. West Side (not sure if that was the gym) I think still has 0 injuries and a ton of titles. But the coaches and lifters there got there by evaluating what the goal was and who was the current champ, then building on that platform. Even if it is a total revitalization from the ground up, following in the path of people who forged the way is always the best rout. If you find a better way then improve and go your own way. It just makes more sense that way.

Then again I have no idea what your goals are other than to have a lottle lower bf% and to do 1 armed pull ups. Which by the way is bad ass as fuck. I knew a kid in highschool wjo could do 10. He was a freak.

I totally get that, but I can find tons of anecdotal evidence of other people that did what I am / have done and have had stellar results.

Edited October 10, 201212 yr by stefanhinote

This fucker is jacked, and yet he practices IF.

I'll stick to eating what I want, I want when I want, and how much I want. Besides the obvious migraines and auto immune disorder I'm fit as a fiddle. I got the Hematology reports, CT scans, ecograms, MRI's, stress test, ultra sounds, EKG's, EEG's, and piss tests to prove it.

I live in Louisiana I can't go with out fried catfish and redbeans and rice.

Although this isn't much of a success story, but the originator of Lean Gains protocol, and obviously has had some experience playing with what works, and what doesn't.

Life is a buffet. Take what you want and leave the rest. What I will tell you now is that you went from a sedentary individual or someone of unfocused activity to someone who is now measuring and striving to reach a physical goal. I wouldn't go as far as to say you could have dropped fat and gained muscle eating ice creme, but I bet you could have eating whoppers, and pizza rolls. I know because when I started working out I just added a protein shake and sugar post worm out, to my crap diet and dropped a few pants sizes and doubled my squat in the first year of working out.

So an increase in kcal but no more healthy really, and hard sweaty inefficient work outs still lead to stellar results. If only I would have had the coaches I did at 17-18, when I was 15-16.

For a while I only ate 1 bowl of rice a day with chilli peppers. It was horrible. My weight loss started to slow down, and I was getting fatter!!!! Even though I was only habing 1/5th the kcal. So stupid. But it was supposed to be the best new diet. Chilli pepers speed up the metabolism and all... lol.

But you get my point.

This fucker is jacked, and yet he practices IF.

He is also on drugs. The lean gains guy is for sure. Maybe some of the new peptides or insulin mimicking drugs.

Or they have a rare gene disorder that increases HGH or stops myostatin/cortisol/prolactin etc.

Too big to be that lean on such a restrictive diet.

Best video ever when Arnold said his secret to being so big was controlling his salt intake. Amazing.

Well since you can't prove that, and I can't prove he's drug free then I guess it doesn't mean shit.

But even with the regular success stories of average individuals I've seen a lot of inspiring stuff, and it worked for them...

I'll stick to what work works for ME... Eleiko, Giant, and fried pork chops and red beans and rice on mondays and fried catfish with fries on fridays

Also have no idea how much he eats, but the only restriction he has on his diet is timing, not amount per say.

Edited October 10, 201212 yr by stefanhinote

But you get my point.

Of course. I always have. What I am saying is when people, especially people on an audio site who have nothing not even rep for some broscience epeen website, tell you that your aproach is inefficient maybe you should not be defensive. Trod asked you something, and you replied with more questions.

It's understandable, I know I give you mountains of shit. Mostly though because I would like to see you succeed as much as you can. You are obviously doing great, but it is in my nature to push people and make them defend what they say. If for no other reason than to strengthen their own resolve. Pluss I might learn something. Pappa bear pays attention. I read all the articles you post hommie.

:-D

I will just forever be the devil's advocate when it comes to technique, because there is always room for improvement. I will never deny your hard work or results.

Got myself a pair of 10" dcons on the cheap. CL ftw.

swapping them out with the xcon?

Edited October 10, 201212 yr by lithium

natural gas tanker explosion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INkfL1JQqak

Edited October 10, 201212 yr by lithium

But you get my point.

Of course. I always have. What I am saying is when people, especially people on an audio site who have nothing not even rep for some broscience epeen website, tell you that your aproach is inefficient maybe you should not be defensive. Trod asked you something, and you replied with more questions.

It's understandable, I know I give you mountains of shit. Mostly though because I would like to see you succeed as much as you can. You are obviously doing great, but it is in my nature to push people and make them defend what they say. If for no other reason than to strengthen their own resolve. Pluss I might learn something. Pappa bear pays attention. I read all the articles you post hommie.

:-D

I will just forever be the devil's advocate when it comes to technique, because there is always room for improvement. I will never deny your hard work or results.

another view, killed 5 people unfortunately

Well since you can't prove that, and I can't prove he's drug free then I guess it doesn't mean shit.

But even with the regular success stories of average individuals I've seen a lot of inspiring stuff, and it worked for them...

My point is just that, they are selling something. Perhaps not directly through you spending cash on it, but more in the fold the stronger they are. Internet gurus are all that way.

Guys on his website probably love Scar audio and have metered 160dbs with music. That doesn't make them the best subwoofer because it can get results does it? You are smarter than that.

My point is still that it is fringe and in general not accepted for a reason. Just because some people make it work doesn't make it gold.

Edited October 10, 201212 yr by dem beats

Got myself a pair of 10" dcons on the cheap. CL ftw.

swapping them out for the xcon?

I sold the xcons a long time ago. Then had an 18" icon for a while, but didn't play it much. Now I got tired of having that lack of bottom end, so the dcons were perfect. Plus the price was a steal.

Well since you can't prove that, and I can't prove he's drug free then I guess it doesn't mean shit.

But even with the regular success stories of average individuals I've seen a lot of inspiring stuff, and it worked for them...

My point is just that, they are selling something. Perhaps not directly through you spending cash on it, but more in the fold the stronger they are. Internet gurus are all that way.

Guys on his website probably love Scar audio and have metered 160dbs with music. That doesn't make them the best subwoofer because it can get results does it? You are smarter than that.

My point is still that it is fringe and in general not accepted for a reason. Just because some people make it work doesn't make it gold.

I get you, but on the flipside just because everyone does something doesn't always make it right.

We will forever be at ends, for better, or for worse my friend.