i need help on what subs to put in my car in everyones opinion what is a better sub aa HAVOC or DC level 4xl?

Better for what? What are your goals?

well atleast a little sq at low volumes but when i want it to turn it up i want insanity? pros and cons for both?

i really dont know how they compare

Havoc is a SQ sub on steriods. Best of both worlds.

I heard Level 4's for the first time at a local comp. Nothing wrong with them, but I think the Havoc has features I would rather have - the biggest one is the integrated tinsel leads if you are going to be pushing them to the excursion limits. According to the specs, the Havoc has more excursion (almost the max you can get from the 12 spoke basket), higher power handling, higher Bl, and higher sensitivity. I also love the look of the Havoc dust cap

Like I said, nothing wrong with the DC, but it looks to me like the Havoc has the edge. . .

thank you i think im goin with the havocs and i also love the looks of them right now i have crappy kenwood 1800(700)watt amps but as soon as i save up im getting 2 sundown 1500's

how big a box do you think i need for a pair?

and what do the havocs go for?

but i think the 4xl's have a little higher power handling 1500rms but xmas of 26

What are some of the pros for the dc level 4xl's?

With out knowing much from your posts, it is hard to choose. Personally I would lean towards the Havoc, but that is me. We need to know more about you and your system. Either way you will get a great product with great customer service.

What's type of system would lean toward the dc's?